[PGT] Flames 3 Flyers 1

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I was at the game and couldn't see this spear! They didn't even show a replay on the jumbotron.

That's because they didn't want the fans to act like Philly fans and disrupt the game in a semi riot....

[N-E-B]

Not the prettiest win ever but I'll take it. PK looked great tonight. Thought Elliott, Tkachuk, and Engelland were fantastic. Gio, Brodie, and Hamilton were very good as well.

I have to say I'm really not sold on Brouwer. I'd be tempted to expose him and hope Vegas takes him. He's really got to pick it up. Could just be a case of he's not good enough to play on the 1st line but we have no other options. I really like Brouwer the person but his play really leaves something to be desired.

Though the Chiasson penalty was weak that was the right call. That said, I wouldn't have made the call at all, or if I did Cousins would have gotten embellishment too.

The puck over glass penalty is the dumbest rule in the game. So sick of guys getting punished for honest mistakes. If a guy intentionally fires the puck over then sure but the way it is now is unbelievably stupid. Just seems like a cheap way to generate scoring chances for the league.

Also had to laugh at the penalty Neuvirth took. I haven't seen that called in years. Anyone know the last time a goalie was assessed that penalty?

[combustiblefuel]

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by hurtin_albertan

I'm not much for conspiracies but it really does seem like the Flames receive the short end of the stick from the refs game in and game out.

That ejection on Chiasson was an absolute joke, one of the softest calls I've ever seen. He literally tapped Cousins, and the guy goes down like he's been shot in the gut. Honestly, give me a break. If you're going to hand out a 5 minute power play and put a team down a man for almost an entire game you better be damn sure it's warranted. Just sickening stuff.

The non-call on Frolik late in the game, while in the end a non-story, rattled me all the same. That's as obvious a hooking penalty as there is, right in front of the ref while the two players are completely isolated as the focus of the play. If the Flames get the power play they should have had, it pretty much ices the game as Philly isn't able to gain a man advantage by pulling the goalie. Best case for them it would have been back to 5v5 if they empty the net. Instead they go up a man with the goalie out and could have tied it in the last minute.

There are a number of further example that I could point out just from this game, not to mention all the absolute crap that gets continually pulled on Johnny that seems to go unnoticed time after time.

Pretty frustrating to have to endure as a paying fan.


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The Frolik non call irked me too, mostly because early on they were calling everything, even a gut tap that ended up as spearing. I then accepted that that's just how the game was going to be called, it was fine. It seemed to go both ways and the guys in stripes were doing their jobs.

Except suddenly they cease to call what was more blatant than everything else they had called until that point, possibly because being late in the game it would handicap the Flyers ability to make a push to tie the game.

If you're going to call everything, or officiate to a certain standard, hold yourself to it for 60 minutes. The inconsistency because of circumstance is what really GMG. There were a lot of instances this season and last where if the Flames were the team playing catch up late, if they made a blatant infraction the officials would make no exception. I don't think situation should overrule that, unless it's a sort of game where they've allowed the players to play from the drop of the puck.

However, in the end nothing we say will make a difference. Whether the Wideman thing exists or not, at least we can be certain that we're rid of it after this season.

[Beninho]

I know this is gonna sound bad, but it's one of my guilty pleasures to go muse through HF Canucks after a Tkachuk big game. That fanbase is quite funny.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by AC

I ####ing love Tkachuk.

He does so many things well, it's ridiculous.

On his goal:

• Face-off win
• Goes to the front of the net
• Tips the initial shot
• Recognizes where the puck bounces to and crashes the crease
• Buckles down to ensure he gets all of the puck

On his assist:

• Off a bobbled face-off he rushes the defenceman with the puck forcing a turnover
• Goes to the quiet area behind the net to receive the pass from Bennett
• Sucks 2 Flyers in and tries a pass to the slot that gets deflected back towards the point
• Goes to the front of the net for a point shot
• Recovers the loose puck
• Patient with the puck before making a nice rim back to Engelland
• Anticipates Engelland's dump back behind the net and retrieves the puck
• Carries the puck towards the point, drawing Voracek in to him and away from Brodie
• Moves towards the middle in order to feed Brodie in a position to score

We're so lucky to grab him at #6... I can't get over it.

I can't wait to watch your compilation of his season!!!

[drewtastic]

-Kulak/Wideman fire-drill on opening goal?
-Chiasson ejected for spearing?
-early 5 on 3 PP against?
-lacklustre 5 on 5 play all night?
-over-reliant on Moose?

Uh-oh. I know what THAT means...

[GreenLantern2814]

[nemanja2306]

Elliott flat out stole that one. You won't win many games when your opponent outshoots you by 10+ shots.

He was never as bad as he was this year, so I hope Flames bring him back. I think he's a really good goalie.

#19 is a beauty. Glad he's a Flame.

Glad to see that glue gun realised what a liability Wideman is on the ice, hopefully this reduced ice time is permanent and not a one time thing.

Gaudreau needs to get away from GG, one way or another. It's a shame to see a player of his calibre and his talents stiffled by a guy who is obviously not an NHL coach. He's such an exciting player.

#FireGulutzan

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

Elliott flat out stole that one. You won't win many games when your opponent outshoots you by 10+ shots.

He was never as bad as he was this year, so I hope Flames bring him back. I think he's a really good goalie.

#19 is a beauty. Glad he's a Flame.

Glad to see that glue gun realised what a liability Wideman is on the ice, hopefully this reduced ice time is permanent and not a one time thing.

Gaudreau needs to get away from GG, one way or another. It's a shame to see a player of his calibre and his talents stiffled by a guy who is obviously not an NHL coach. He's such an exciting player.

#FireGulutzan

Blaming Gully for Gaudreaus problems this year is pretty short sighted. Teams gameplan for Johnny now and he has to figure out how to overcome this, as well as finding a way to play his game in whatever system the flames are using. I thought he was really good tonight and his low shooting percentage will increase. Johnnys a great player and sometimes great young players need time to adjust to adjustments other teams are making when playing them. Johnny in particular because of his size will probably have to reconfigure his game multiple times over his career. He will figure it out because he's too damn skilled not to. Saying Gaudreau has no chance under Gully is reactionary, Tkachuk is amazing under Gully as a 19 year old. Will you praise him for Tkachuks play or downgrade him because of Gaudreaus? Johnny will be fine, it's only a matter of time.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Blaming Gully for Gaudreaus problems this year is pretty short sighted. Teams gameplan for Johnny now and he has to figure out how to overcome this, as well as finding a way to play his game in whatever system the flames are using. I thought he was really good tonight and his low shooting percentage will increase. Johnnys a great player and sometimes great young players need time to adjust to adjustments other teams are making when playing them. Johnny in particular because of his size will probably have to reconfigure his game multiple times over his career. He will figure it out because he's too damn skilled not to. Saying Gaudreau has no chance under Gully is reactionary, Tkachuk is amazing under Gully as a 19 year old. Will you praise him for Tkachuks play or downgrade him because of Gaudreaus? Johnny will be fine, it's only a matter of time.

But it's not just him, though. It's Brodie, Monahan, Bennett, Gio at times as well.

When one key player is not playing well, it's probably the player.
When ALL your key players are struggling, it's probably something else.

Don't underestimate the effect a coach can have on a player. Look at Crosby whose production dropped off massively under Johnston, only to return to his normal after the hiring of Sullivan. And team performance followed that.

I just don't this GG is a fit for this team. It is alarming how many players are regressing under his tenure.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

But it's not just him, though. It's Brodie, Monahan, Bennett, Gio at times as well.

When one key player is not playing well, it's probably the player.
When ALL your key players are struggling, it's probably something else.

Don't underestimate the effect a coach can have on a player. Look at Crosby whose production dropped off massively under Johnston, only to return to his normal after the hiring of Sullivan. And team performance followed that.

I just don't this GG is a fit for this team. It is alarming how many players are regressing under his tenure.

Regressing? Or young players are going through growing pains, Gio is older and not at the same offensive level he was at 2 years ago. He wasn't their last year either. Take away Bobs run and gun system and you obviously have regressions. But you did not mention how Frolik, Backlund, Hamilton, Stajan (to a lesser extent, playing much better than under Hartley) are all having career years while Tkachuk is tracking to have a 50pt+ rookie season as a teenager. The Crosby situation is not relatable whatsoever. Crosby is already the finish product, a supreme hockey player. Johnny, Monahan, and Bennett are still developing. Johnny is in his 3rd year of professional hockey. He was bound to go through a slump or 2. Give it time and stop overreacting. Johnny has to adjust his game and you can already tell he is trying to. Teams are trying to make him uncomfortable and have played him enough to know his tendencies. He will figure it out and he will figure out how to produce under GG. Like I said before he's too damn skilled no to.

[domenichelly]

If Tkachuk plays so great under GG just imagine how great he could play under Hartley!

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Regressing? Or young players are going through growing pains, Gio is older and not at the same offensive level he was at 2 years ago. He wasn't their last year either. Take away Bobs run and gun system and you obviously have regressions. But you did not mention how Frolik, Backlund, Hamilton, Stajan (to a lesser extent, playing much better than under Hartley) are all having career years while Tkachuk is tracking to have a 50pt+ rookie season as a teenager. The Crosby situation is not relatable whatsoever. Crosby is already the finish product, a supreme hockey player. Johnny, Monahan, and Bennett are still developing. Johnny is in his 3rd year of professional hockey. He was bound to go through a slump or 2. Give it time and stop overreacting. Johnny has to adjust his game and you can already tell he is trying to. Teams are trying to make him uncomfortable and have played him enough to know his tendencies. He will figure it out and he will figure out how to produce under GG. Like I said before he's too damn skilled no to.

All of them having 'growing pains' at the same time? I don't buy it. Also, Gaudreau didn't seem to have any at tye WC...

Every rule has its exceptions.
Backlund has always been a good player, he was just unlucky with injuries. Now that he's healthy, he's put it all together.

Frolik was always this good.

As for Hamilton, he was taking massive improvemet under Hartley as well.

Comparison to Crosby is more than fair. It shows that a bad coach can affect even the best player in the world. So, it's easy to assume that Gulutzan is the reason why our star players are underperforming.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

All of them having 'growing pains' at the same time? I don't buy it. Also, Gaudreau didn't seem to have any at tye WC...

Every rule has its exceptions.
Backlund has always been a good player, he was just unlucky with injuries. Now that he's healthy, he's put it all together.

Frolik was always this good.

As for Hamilton, he was taking massive improvemet under Hartley as well.

Comparison to Crosby is more than fair. It shows that a bad coach can affect even the best player in the world. So, it's easy to assume that Gulutzan is the reason why our star players are underperforming.

So all the players having a good year are having a good year despite the coach? All the player having a down year are having it because of the coach? I don't buy it. I'm not going to use a situation invlovling Crosby because he was not in his 3rd season in the NHL last year. Gaudreau is in his 3rd year, his first 2 had very few bumps. He now is dealing with a bit of adversity and I look forward seeing him overcome it. People here need to relax with Johnny, he needs to make adjustments in his game and these don't happen over night. Watching him play in Bobs system was a lot of fun but it was not a sustainable winning system any way you cut it. All great players go through slumps and down years. Fans will always overreact

[blender]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

All of them having 'growing pains' at the same time? I don't buy it. Also, Gaudreau didn't seem to have any at tye WC...

Every rule has its exceptions.
Backlund has always been a good player, he was just unlucky with injuries. Now that he's healthy, he's put it all together.

Frolik was always this good.

As for Hamilton, he was taking massive improvemet under Hartley as well.

Comparison to Crosby is more than fair. It shows that a bad coach can affect even the best player in the world. So, it's easy to assume that Gulutzan is the reason why our star players are underperforming.

Bolded is the underlying reason for all the bizarre ideas circulating on this forum lately.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

No, it's not. The nickname is Engo.

Confirmed.
Source: Deryk himself.

[Erick Estrada]

This was why the Flames brought in Elliott. If last night was more of the norm instead of an aberration the Flames would likely be comfortably in a playoff position. Hopefully he can get on a roll here as this is the type of goaltending this franchise hasn't received enough of over the past two seasons.

[Strange Brew]

^ yep it's pretty simple sometimes. If your goalie outplays theirs, you win a lot of games.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

^ yep it's pretty simple sometimes. If your goalie outplays theirs, you win a lot of games.

Yep. Great goaltending can mask mediocre coaching and talent, just look at the Canadiens.