06-08-2016, 11:08 PM
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#101
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JiriHrdina
At best we might have a Marcel Hossa
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At best we have a player who'll have a career-high of 18 points in a season? Those are pretty low assumptions.
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06-08-2016, 11:09 PM
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#102
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
You see similarities that are shallow. And use shallow statements to support that.
But to each his own I guess.
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All you're doing is arguing semantics at this point, vehemently opposed to what I'm considering the term stylistic to encompass. Everyone has similarities and differences, but there have been a multitude of similarities drawn between these two players by a lot of respected people over several years now.
It's not so much you disagreeing, it's the smug dismissal like your opinion is factual. But yea, to each their own.
This is just going in circles now, so I'll leave it at that.
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06-08-2016, 11:14 PM
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#103
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
At best we have a player who'll have a career-high of 18 points in a season? Those are pretty low assumptions.
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Probably a lot closer than projecting him to be a hall of fame, 500 goal, 1000 point player just because they were born on the same country
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06-08-2016, 11:23 PM
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#104
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Toews vs. Monahan will never be settled here, but are you sure we don't have a Hossa?
Marian Hossa:
6'1"
210 lbs.
RW
Czechoslovakian
Daniel Pribyl
6'3"
190 lbs.
RW
Czechoslovakian
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Saying something this crazy should get the poster put in the sin bin. An embarrassment clause of some sort.
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06-08-2016, 11:29 PM
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#105
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Hmmmmmmm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Toews vs. Monahan will never be settled here, but are you sure we don't have a Hossa?
Marian Hossa:
6'1"
210 lbs.
RW
Czechoslovakian
Daniel Pribyl
6'3"
190 lbs.
RW
Czechoslovakian
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100% sure.
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06-08-2016, 11:30 PM
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#106
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Monahan is a more Monahany Colborne.
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06-08-2016, 11:32 PM
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#107
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Is Monahan out of the gate? Last season was his third year - did he finish 4th in Selke voting? Toews did.
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Well umm.. the trophies haven't been handed out for this season yet so no one knows who finished 4th. Don't think Monahan will, but it's an odd point to make.
For the record Monahan did finish 20th in his 2nd season.
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06-09-2016, 09:11 AM
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#108
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GoJetsGo
All you're doing is arguing semantics at this point, vehemently opposed to what I'm considering the term stylistic to encompass. Everyone has similarities and differences, but there have been a multitude of similarities drawn between these two players by a lot of respected people over several years now.
It's not so much you disagreeing, it's the smug dismissal like your opinion is factual. But yea, to each their own.
This is just going in circles now, so I'll leave it at that.
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It is not just "semantics," and what you continue to miss is that virtually all of the things in Monahan's game being positively compared to Toews are on the level of production and character(?). The anecdotal items you have retrieved from Sutter and hockey observers are quite superficial, and do not make the sorts of comparisons that I would expect to be labelled as "stylistic." GrantedEV is absolutely correct in this instance: Monahan is a terrific centre, but plays the position differently than Toews. Even if he does turn out to be as good of a player as Toews, the way he plays the game will still be different. I agree with heep223—Monahan is stylistically more closely comparable to Kopitar. Maybe Sundin? Francis?
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06-09-2016, 11:25 AM
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#109
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
Monahan is stylistically more closely comparable to Kopitar. Maybe Sundin? Francis?
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He's a bit taller, but Joe Sakic?
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06-09-2016, 11:50 AM
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#110
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
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Id say Kopitar is the best contemporary example. It's just a nice narrative to have a pair of a small skilled winger and two-way centreman with a serious demeanor compared with Toews and Kane. There aren't a lot (if any) other comparables really, when talking about a tandem. And Kane is really the only comparable to Johnny.
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06-09-2016, 11:57 AM
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#111
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Lifetime Suspension
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Always digging for a perfect comparable is a fools game.
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06-09-2016, 11:59 AM
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#112
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Always digging for a perfect comparable is a fools game.
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Agreed. It always bugs me at the draft. All it does is hyperbolize expectations.
"What's his NHL comparable, Pierre?"
"Oh he's a Chris Pronger type for sure."
Really? One of the greatest players ever? For a mid-round defenceman?
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06-09-2016, 12:12 PM
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#113
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Always digging for a perfect comparable is a fools game.
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Until you realize that 99% of the time it's a stylistic comparable and it doesn't mean that the person doing the comparison is saying (for example) Logan Brown WILL be a clone of Joe Thornton, 1100+ career points and all.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyC
Agreed. It always bugs me at the draft. All it does is hyperbolize expectations.
"What's his NHL comparable, Pierre?"
"Oh he's a Chris Pronger type for sure."
Really? One of the greatest players ever? For a mid-round defenceman?
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That is not what is meant. It means he plays like Chirs Pronger, not he will be the reincarnation of Chris Pronger.
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06-09-2016, 12:36 PM
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#114
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Posted the 2 millionth post! |
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Toews vs. Monahan will never be settled here, but are you sure we don't have a Hossa?
Marian Hossa:
6'1"
210 lbs.
RW
Czechoslovakian
Daniel Pribyl
6'3"
190 lbs.
RW
Czechoslovakian
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Totally agree with this post.
Another thought, we should sign Jooris to a 8 year contract as well because, well...
Wayne Gretzky
6'0"
185lbs
Ontario, Canada
Josh Jooris
6'1"
187lbs
Ontario, Canada
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