[Rumour] Friedman: Flames have inquired about Pittsburgh Goalie Matt Murray

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

You're crazy. So you wanna give up for Murray what NJ gave up for Schneider?

This kid would have to be the next Varlamov or Schneider if you're paying that price.

I think he will be that good. What if the first was lotto-protected? I doubt Pittsburgh does that though.

[polak]

Gotta imagine the price will be insane.

[AcGold]

At this point trade anyone not named Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, Brodie or Hamilton for a #1. If Murray looks like a legit starter Treliving would be smart to do whatever it takes to get him. We don't even NEED Gio, but we do absolutely need a real #1 goalie. 5 untouchables, the rest are up for grabs if I'm Treliving. Russell, Colborne, Jones, Hudler all have some value, what does Pittsburgh need? Stop screwing around and get a real starter, until that happens this team will permanently be treading water. .94 over 40 games is substantially better than anything any of our goalies has shown since Kiprusoff was leading the SV%. Throw them the best deal anyone offers, we simply don't need anyone but the core and waiting around without a starter is a waste of the roster.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by New Era

Yeah, Demko racking up the wins for BU is really killing the Flames.

It certainly is as the organizational depth chart at the position looks weaker and weaker. The Flames need a stop gap starting goaltender regardless but now they are faced with possibly looking outside the organization for their franchise goaltender as the prospects of that guy being within the organization is murky.

[JJ1532]

Would a 2017 1st(lottery protected) get the Pens interested?

[polak]

I'd rather keep our 1st. A goalie is obviously a priority but one of the fins would have more impact on this team as we do have Gillies and Macdonald that could turn out still.

We have zero blue chip forwards.

[Conroy4Mayor]

The fact that Matt Murray went late in the third round of the draft reinforces my belief that drafting goalies early is a crap shoot, and poor use of a pick.

Goalies picked early rarely pan out (if any team should know this, it is the Flames, eg. Muzzatti, Kidd, Irving). Goalies picked late can seemingly come out of nowhere (if any team should know this, it is also the Flames, eg. Vernon, Kiprusoff).

[The Original FFIV]

FYI Murray recalled by pens today after zatkoff crapped the bed yesterday. So probably not available barring a major overpayment which would be a mistake.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Conroy4Mayor

The fact that Matt Murray went late in the third round of the draft reinforces my belief that drafting goalies early is a crap shoot, and poor use of a pick.

Goalies picked early rarely pan out (if any team should know this, it is the Flames, eg. Muzzatti, Kidd, Irving). Goalies picked late can seemingly come out of nowhere (if any team should know this, it is also the Flames, eg. Vernon, Kiprusoff).

It doesn't matter where Murray was drafted, he looks good NOW. Waiting for our own picks to pan out could literally waste the prime years of our top young players. We haven't had a drafted goalie do well since Vernon and people really want to keep waiting this thing out because "goalies are a crap shoot"?

[Conroy4Mayor]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

It doesn't matter where Murray was drafted, he looks good NOW. Waiting for our own picks to pan out could literally waste the prime years of our top young players. We haven't had a drafted goalie do well since Vernon and people really want to keep waiting this thing out because "goalies are a crap shoot"?

You misunderstood me. I wasn't saying "don't trade for Matt Murray because he was drafted four years ago in the third round". I am saying, "don't wait for McDonald to be the savior", because the fact he was highly regarded as an 18 year old and drafted high will likely not ensure success. He was, and still is, a crap shoot.

[Bingo]

I wish I could go back in time and cryogenically freeze Kiprusoff and wake him up in September of 2106.

We wasted 5 years of Kiprusoff with a declining dysfunctional core.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It certainly is as the organizational depth chart at the position looks weaker and weaker. The Flames need a stop gap starting goaltender regardless but now they are faced with possibly looking outside the organization for their franchise goaltender as the prospects of that guy being within the organization is murky.

And that wouldn't change if the Flames had drafted Demko. Demko, like McDonald, is three years away at best. So how is Demko killing the Flames again?

[djsFlames]

This year's 1st is more important than next year's.

A) Will add important piece to core moving forward
B) Team is likely to take a step forward from this season given continued development of current core, so 2017 pick will not be as high. Probably outside of top 10 if I were to guess.

So I'm not opposed to dealing next year's first, if top 3 protected.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Picking up extra G depth, with hopefully a plausible starter next year is obviously a priority, but I think it is crazy to be throwing around 1st rounders or multiple legit pieces for this guy. He isn't comparable to Schneider (who was worth it, IMO) until he at least shares the crease at the NHL level.
Keep stockpiling picks, look for value deals over the summer.

[Sylvanfan]

I see this thread and I have flashbacks of Marty Murray.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I wish I could go back in time and cryogenically freeze Kiprusoff and wake him up in September of 2106.

We wasted 5 years of Kiprusoff with a declining dysfunctional core.

We may have to wait this long to break the Honda Center curse.

[Dr. Doom]

The thing that doesn't add up here for me (yet)...

If indeed they are bringing up Murray because Zatkoff is hot garbage which a lot of my reading seems to suggest...

Than why wasn't this a straight up one-for-one Murray up / Zatkoff down move?

What is Pittsburgh waiting for?

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I wish I could go back in time and cryogenically freeze Kiprusoff and wake him up in September of 2106.

We wasted 5 years of Kiprusoff with a declining dysfunctional core.

What if we have declining core in 2106?

[Poe969]

A first rounder for him??? If that was the cost, I don't think Te flames would even have interest. I'm sure the teams have spoken about it and if the pens were asking too much, nothing would have come of it and we probably wouldn't have heard about it. I'm guessing they have interest in something the flames have and either brought up Murray or the flames have asked about him. A first rounder doesn't help the pens now and they're clearly in win now mode. If they weren't in win now mode, this wouldn't be news.

[jaginla]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I wish I could go back in time and cryogenically freeze Kiprusoff and wake him up in September of 2106.

We wasted 5 years of Kiprusoff with a declining dysfunctional core.

You think Johnny will still be on the team in 2106?