Feb 10 Practice

[Locke]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

I feel like we are less than a year away from fans calling for Hartley to be fired.

That day will come. A year might not be far off.

Hartley in a lot of ways is a lot like Sutter. You love him but his effect on the players is tough to determine and likely going to wear off after a while.

And once it does he has to be replaced. It isnt about being for or against him, liking him or hating him, its just the way it is.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I would say the only one among Shore, Poirier, Sven, etc that is not still in the organization anymore is in the NHL, relatively succeeding in his situation which involves big minutes. "gifted" is silly, it implies you need to play less than better players to play more. No, you need to play appropriately to how much you contribute to the team. But you're someone who thinks Sven Baertschi should still be the AHL "doing his time" right?

Right. And Hartley seems to feel that Wotherspoon, Poirier, et al, were not playing at a level supporting more minutes. He obviously felt that Monahan, Gaudreau, Jooris, Bouma, Granlund to a degree etc. were.

He also has played Ferland through tough times both this year and last, and stuck with Bennett during a fairly long scoring slump. He has given Colborne lots of looks - which goes against your narrative and which you ignore because you don't like Colborne.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by saillias

The whole fanbase bought in to the "the roster is putrid". I dunno, it was just sort of mediocre under reviled former coach Brent Sutter. How did it become that much worse under Hartley when adding Hudler, Wideman?

You act like Hartley had a better roster than Sutter. What about Iginla and Tanguary?

Hartley had a rebuilding roster while Sutter had a roster that was supposed to contend. Big difference.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Locke

That day will come. A year might not be far off.

Hartley in a lot of ways is a lot like Sutter. You love him but his effect on the players is tough to determine and likely going to wear off after a while.

And once it does he has to be replaced. It isnt about being for or against him, liking him or hating him, its just the way it is.

Heck, we had some of that earlier this year when he refused to sit the appropriate players and our systems were being exposed. I'll say though that he won a lot of respect from me for making an example of Johnny/Mony/Bouma; superstar/franchise player or not, no one is above accountability from the team. The team always comes first.

We have a very important divisional game tomorrow. The absentees will be hungry to return and make their mark on the game, and the players who proved their mettle last game will have an extra bit of swagger in their game. I'm hoping for a solid, consistent team effort against SJ where we have multiple guys wanting to make a difference.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Locke

That day will come. A year might not be far off.

Hartley in a lot of ways is a lot like Sutter. You love him but his effect on the players is tough to determine and likely going to wear off after a while.

And once it does he has to be replaced. It isnt about being for or against him, liking him or hating him, its just the way it is.

Bob Hartley is absolutely nothing like Sutter. The only thing they have in common is they are hockey coaches.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

You act like Hartley had a better roster than Sutter. What about Iginla and Tanguary?

Hartley had a rebuilding roster while Sutter had a roster that was supposed to contend. Big difference.

They had no intention to rebuild at the start of that first year. The roster Hartley had to begin the 2013 season was talented enough to be competitive, but it wasn't.

Sorta like 2015-2016.

[Psytic]

I blame the special teams coach and the players more than Hartley. Goaltending has been no good tier most of the year and special teams have been terrible. I'm looking at BT before Hartley.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If you remove last season which has been an outlier over his tenure his record is poor. I have stated long before this that Hartley has had no issues playing young forwards but he's got different criteria for defensemen. He either lacks trust in young defensemen or he simply doesn't like the defensemen Treliving is supplying him from the farm team. Bob's not going to change so we have to accept this but I will stick to my case that a head coach that is going broke for wins better deliver deliver wins and that hasn't been the case for 3/4 seasons now.

Lol. "Lets remove his playoff series victory, when he was the first coach in over 10 seasons to achieve that"

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I blame the special teams coach and the players more than Hartley. Goaltending has been no good tier most of the year and special teams have been terrible. I'm looking at BT before Hartley.

They recently got some second opinion advice on the power play. It has seemed a bit better since.

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Just went back and read 10 pages or so of my troll coming out party. Tears running down my cheeks

Link! 'CDC' has become too plentiful a search since then ...


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[calumniate]

If you're up in arms as to how our youngsters are being played, I suggest taking a look at two polarizing teams, them being Edmonton and Detroit. Pretty sure nobody is blaming Detroit for being patient. their success is evident. Monahan and gaudreau have blossomed so far, and Bennett is hungry. Granlund is hanging around, and the way Hartley has handled Ferland has been life changing for the youngster.

Results may not totally be there but the posts from polak and granteed just make me shake my head. I don't think Hartley has ever written anyone off, and gio has the room. Sometimes the grass is greener I guess

[GioforPM]

There as a lot of this last year, but then the team did so well, those folks had to swallow the criticism. It's like they were waiting for the team to not do as well, so they could try the same argument.