[Trade] Oilers trade Perron to Pittsburgh for 2015 1st, Klinkhammer

[Coach]

Everytime a Oiler's player leaves (particularly a disgruntled one) I hope for some dirt.

Sound off, David. Sound off.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Robbob

the problem is that Edmonton barely manages to develop top ten picks. A late first in that organization probably doesn't play in Edmonton until after hall, rnh, and eberle are ufa. They need NHL bodies not magic beans. It is laughable that not even at the 40 game mark they are throwing the season away for a 30% chance on McDavid. I hope they finish second last and a team leap frogs the oilers at the lottery. I am sure the video of MacTavish would be pretty similar to the one from the loss to the jets earlier this season.

Edmonton can't make decisions based around them assuming they are going to ruin draft picks. They need to identify that their development has been #### to date and do something about it, but that's the answer. Avoiding trading for picks and making smart asset moves for picks because "they are bad at talent identification and development" is not how to address that problem, it will simply lead to a perpetual spot in the basement of the league for the rest of time. What they need to do is keep making good trades (like this one) and fix their scouting and development if they feel they are problems (which they most certainly are).

[FlameZilla]

I can't believe Perron fetched a 1st round pick.

[PeteMoss]

Not to defend the Oilers, but what do you expect them to do? They aren't making the playoffs and Perron is going to leave when he becomes a UFA in a year. Why not make the move.

As for the return... its not a rental and he'll put up numbers on Pittsburgh. Seems fair although I do agree the Oilers need players more than magic jelly beans.

[taco.vidal]

If anyone needed more proof the Oilers are taking, here it is. One of only a few vets on the team and someone who appears to give crap about losing gets traded.

Its not a bad trade if you're ok with the tank. The extra first in a deep draft gives them more flexibility in trying to setup a trade for centre depth or defence for next season.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Absolutely. Managements entire plan for the future of this team is to draft McDavid/Eichel. They have absolutely no idea what to do if they don't get either of them. None.

That's why I pray to the hockey gods that they finish 3rd last and lose the lottery to someone above them in the standings so they end up drafting 4th overall. Oiler fans will lose their minds and it will be glorious.

There are plenty of good hockey players after McDavid/Eichel. Edmonton getting
Hanifin would make a future top paring dmen of Nurse and Hanifin great for years to come.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's a great return for Perron. However it's going to be a late first round pick and the Oilers absolutely stink at picking players outside of the top 15 so it's probably going to end up Perron for a Mitch Moroz type player in the long run as there's a good chance Klinkhammer will be better than the player they pick.

You would have to think the Flames could have got the same sort of deal from them for Glencross however I would think the Flames will wait until the trade deadline so they can assess their playoff possibilities much better.

Personally, I think the penguins were targeting a right-handed shot since malkin, Crosby, and Kunitz are all lefties. So I don't think glencross would have been what they are looking for. I could be wrong but it always seems like the penguins are missing the right-handed shooter. That's where Perron fits in.

[CaptainCrunch]

So Edmonton trades Perron for a scrub bottom 6 winger who's older and heading for UFA status and will probably never sign a contract in Edmonton.

And a late first round pick.

Yeah Edmonton doesn't want to ice a competitive team, if there's any doubt that this Edmonton team has a stunning lack of integrity, its wiped away.

Oiler players can give up now, they're never going to balance the roster or move their so called brutal leadership core.

If I was an Oilers fan I would never attend another game as long as that management group is there. The Oilers are charging full NHL pricing for a lazy AHL team.

[nik-]

I would have liked to get that for Glencross to the Pens. They're one of the teams I could see him waiving his NTC for.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

I'm sure there are LOTS of better trades that us CPers can come up with... but most of us are already shaking our heads that the Oil got a 1st and Klinkhammer... I'm reasonably certain that whatever Pittsburgh management was drinking, it wasn't strong enough to make them think Bennett and Dumoulin was the better choice.

Originally Posted by Matt Reeeeead

No chance the Pens would include Bennett in a trade for Perron. He's a rosterable player for them with upside, and will be cheap for awhile. The type of guy that appeals to good teams too.

Competing teams want to move non essential players, prospects, or picks in deadline moves.

Bennett doesn't fit the bill.

Considering Perron is signed for next season at a manageable cap hit, I agree he had some good value. But we also see what top 6 players generally go for at the deadline when they are UFA, for example, last season nobody would give more than a 3rd round pick for Cammaleri.

The fact Perron had an extra year likely got them the upgrade from a late second/third to a first. It's certainly not a haul, but after the Erat/Forsberg fiasco (which would have been a similar asset being traded as Erat was at a similar stage in his career and contract), it seems like teams are hesitant to give up quality young assets.

It's certainly not a "haul", but I think the value is pretty consistent with what has been happening. Perron wasn't looking like a long term keeper for them, so they presumably shopped him for the best asset they could. I bet they try to use the pick to get an asset that better fits their profile right now (likely try to get a defensemen back from a not so contending team). The teams that wanted Perron wouldn't be willing to move a quality D-men, but teams wanting a 1st might be.

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

As always, real life is not a video game. I doubt very much the Penguins would have given up Bennett. Not for a guy one year away from UFA. Getting a late first rounder and body for the roster is very likely the best the Oilers could expect.

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

You think the Oilers could have done better than a 2015 1st rounder for Perron?

I know what you are saying, but the Oilers need to embrace the fact that they are still in a re-build. Not doing so would be a huge mistake. Sure it's fair to critique them for the fact that they are still re-building, but they can't just "erase" the mistakes they've made in the past that have led them here, and they can't just go "well we shouldn't be in a rebuild, so we are going to act and make trades like we aren't". That would set them back even further. Given they are the worst team in the league right now, this was a great trade for them IMO, good value for that asset.

I get what you all are saying, I just think that it was a lot more important to get a good prospect or a better roster player to ice on their lineup than a 2015 1st. This rebuild is going to last forever if they keep playing an AHL caliber lineup and don't at least attempt to make their lineup better. I feel like they are trying, but are they really? Perron is miles better than Klinkhammer.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

There are plenty of good hockey players after McDavid/Eichel. Edmonton getting
Hanifin would make a future top paring dmen of Nurse and Hanifin great for years to come.

They'd find a way to ruin them or they'd trade one of them for a small skilled winger.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Not to defend the Oilers, but what do you expect them to do? They aren't making the playoffs and Perron is going to leave when he becomes a UFA in a year. Why not make the move.

As for the return... its not a rental and he'll put up numbers on Pittsburgh. Seems fair although I do agree the Oilers need players more than magic jelly beans.

Klinkhammer is a UFA this year. This trade was about a low 2015 first round pick.

I don't see how this is a great trade for Edmonton, its a brutal scumbag tanking trade.

[Geeoff]

If I were the Oilers. I'd try to flip that 1st for a young center or dman, instead of waiting to inevitably draft a bust

[Erick Estrada]

The Oilers really should have targeted a top 6 defenseman for a contributing roster player like Perron but it looks like the rebuild is getting rebooted for the 3rd time.

[Badgers Nose]

I like this trade. Perron was allegedly a problem in the room (probably trying to keep lazy stupid kids accountable) and they got a first and a roster player with value that they can keep or package for something else. His UFA status makes him worth more at the deadline.

Perron will look really good in Pitts though. Will be tough for Oiler fans to see him on that team.

[taco.vidal]

I also wonder if Perron asked to be traded and/or whether he was causing problems in the dressing because of his wanting to win and dislike for losing which MacT may have seen in his few games behind the bench.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Oilers really should have targeted a top 6 defenseman for a contributing roster player like Perron but it looks like the rebuild is getting rebooted for the 3rd time.

That's not going to happen, the Oilers are addicted to first round draft picks.

They're not going to try to fix a thing.

[DomeFoam]

If MacT had any idea what his team needs its to flip that 1st rounder in another deal plus one of Hall, RNH or Eberle for 2 stud prospects. My bet would be Hall as it seems hes quietly made it known he wants out. I dont think this trade is good for Edmonton because they're looking at 3 years down the road IF that pick turns out to be a good one, and even then they cant develop a prospect worth ####

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

So Edmonton trades Perron for a scrub bottom 6 winger who's older and heading for UFA status and will probably never sign a contract in Edmonton.

And a late first round pick.

Yeah Edmonton doesn't want to ice a competitive team, if there's any doubt that this Edmonton team has a stunning lack of integrity, its wiped away.

Oiler players can give up now, they're never going to balance the roster or move their so called brutal leadership core.

If I was an Oilers fan I would never attend another game as long as that management group is there. The Oilers are charging full NHL pricing for a lazy AHL team.

I'm all for ripping the Oilers, but what's with this "they aren't trying to win" crap at this point in the season. Of course they aren't, and making trades like this, are exactly what a team who is last in the league should be doing. We are at the half way point of the season, if the Oilers were making personal moves to try and make a playoff push and improve the record, they'd be idiots.

There is a huge difference between what moves they should be making at the "Management" level and at the "Player / coaching" level. Management, should be doing what they did today, it's smart. At the on ice level, for the players and coaches who are on the team, they need to be busting their ass in practice and in every game trying to win, getting better and starting to build a culture that is not one of losing.

Don't get me wrong, I understand a huge part of why this has gone so bad for them, is that management did the opposite of what Calgary has done early in their rebuild, and actually (seemingly) encouraged or at least accepted a culture of losing at the Player / Coach level, and that's what they need to correct. But from a management level, a team with as few a wins as they have in this season should not be looking to make trades or player moves that do anything but improve their club a few years down the road, no matter how long they've been at the "rebuild".

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I like this trade. Perron was allegedly a problem in the room (probably trying to keep lazy stupid kids accountable) and they got a first and a roster player with value that they can keep or package for something else. His UFA status makes him worth more at the deadline.

Perron will look really good in Pitts though. Will be tough for Oiler fans to see him on that team.

How is Klinkhammer a roster player with value. He's a 28 year old upcoming UFA line 4 player.

He's meh at best.