Dental decay rampant in Calgary

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by AcGold

^That's atleast a reasoned argument but there's no need to insinuate any cognitive deficiency. Currently I can not choose anything but city water, my car broke down and I can't get any water besides city water. But in the case that my car works yes I can choose to drink other water.
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Do you raise your own livestock and chickens etc, vegetables? Are you out protesting against Monsanto and gmo's? Is your burger consumption strictly A&W, where their beef is hormone and additive free?

[AcGold]

No, no and no. My diet is 100% from cnf when my car works.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by AcGold

No, no and no. My diet is 100% from cnf when my car works.

"cnf" ?

[BigNumbers]

Originally Posted by AcGold

No, no and no. My diet is 100% from cnf when my car works.

Your posts are starting to remind me freeman on the land stuff... I searched here for freeman and found this thread:
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=68978

[AcGold]

How is eating organic food freeman on the land? Starting to create false accusations? I like my house thank you very much, property taxes and all. I'm just very passionate about an individuals freedom to control what goes in their body.

cnf is community natural foods.

[To Be Quite Honest]

I'm the one who brought up this post 3 years ago. I was actually pretty touched at how some of the people took the time and explained the properties of fluoride.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Mmm red herrings, false analogies and passive aggressive insults. The ultimate logical sidestep.

The government provides water as a public good, therefore, there is no logical inconsistency or false analogy, as the government also provides roads as a public good. In both cases, they have the power and the responsibility to deliver the good as they see fit to provide the greatest benefit for the greatest number, whether that be roads bounded by traffic laws or water with fluoride.

You continually proceed from a false premise, that the government is "forcing you to drink fluoride", then get huffy when others point out that providing you with water doesn't mean you have to drink it. This makes your contention that other people's arguments are poor both ironic and comical, as you can't even get past the very first step of constructing a valid argument of your own.

In short, your opinion is uninformed, and based on rabble-rousing rhetoric and emotion rather than reason.

PS: Also, your passive-aggressive calling out of passive-aggressive posts is perplexingly hypocritical. It would be clever if you were doing it on purpose, but I'm guessing you're not.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by jammies

The government provides water as a public good, therefore, there is no logical inconsistency or false analogy, as the government also provides roads as a public good. In both cases, they have the power and the responsibility to deliver the good as they see fit to provide the greatest benefit for the greatest number, whether that be roads bounded by traffic laws or water with fluoride.

You continually proceed from a false premise, that the government is "forcing you to drink fluoride", then get huffy when others point out that providing you with water doesn't mean you have to drink it. This makes your contention that other people's arguments are poor both ironic and comical, as you can't even get past the very first step of constructing a valid argument of your own.

In short, your opinion is uninformed, and based on rabble-rousing rhetoric and emotion rather than reason.

PS: Also, your passive-aggressive calling out of passive-aggressive posts is perplexingly hypocritical. It would be clever if you were doing it on purpose, but I'm guessing you're not.

Credit where it is due, he is consistent.

[AcGold]

Very good rhetoric but currently I have no choice but to drink the city water and use it in my cooking. If anyone is emotional it's you, this is becoming a personal attack because I don't agree with you. Whatever argument I give you'll construe, whatever I say you'll turn around back at me that much is clear.

This is not how a discussion works, V was on the right track by at least not being condescending and speaking rationally. I haven't been passive aggressive or condemning in any way, calling me passive aggressive when there is blatant personal attacks, leading questions and false accusations against me is ironic.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Very good rhetoric but currently I have no choice but to drink the city water and use it in my cooking. If anyone is emotional it's you, this is becoming a personal attack because I don't agree with you. Whatever argument I give you'll construe, whatever I say you'll turn around back at me that much is clear. This is not how a discussion works, V was on the right track by at least not being condescending. I haven't been passive aggressive or condemning in any way, do you guys always get so upset when you don't agree with something?

So lack of access is preventing your freedom from choosing water. By removing fluoride from the public works, you're restricting access for people to obtain fluoride for dental health. Since they have no choice but to spend their money on food instead of dental checkups, their child doesn't have the opportunity to have proper oral hygiene. They have no choice but to have deficient dental care.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Very good rhetoric but currently I have no choice but to drink the city water and use it in my cooking. If anyone is emotional it's you, this is becoming a personal attack because I don't agree with you. Whatever argument I give you'll construe, whatever I say you'll turn around back at me that much is clear.

This is not how a discussion works, V was on the right track by at least not being condescending and speaking rationally. I haven't been passive aggressive or condemning in any way, calling me passive aggressive when there is blatant personal attacks, leading questions and false accusations against me is ironic.

You may or may not have a choice in using the city water supply in your home but if you don't like the way that the city is treating the water supply you can easily get hooked up with a reverse osmosis system to purify your water (it'll probably save you money long term as well because you won't have to purchase your water at CNF anymore.)

[ExiledFlamesFan]

Absolutely insane that people are spending hundreds to thousands a year on bottled water when we have fresh glacial tap water from the mountains. It's not like we're getting our water from the polluted great lakes in Calgary. Ironically that's where some of this bottled water comes from.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by ExiledFlamesFan

Absolutely insane that people are spending hundreds to thousands a year on bottled water when we have fresh glacial tap water from the mountains. It's not like we're getting our water from the polluted great lakes in Calgary. Ironically that's where some of this bottled water comes from.

Our tap water starts from a glacier, then flows through beaver dams, campgrounds, cow pies, and the Weaselhead, before stagnating in the Glenmore Reservoir with dogs, birds, sailers and Northern Pike.

[ExiledFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by troutman

Our tap water starts from a glacier, then flows through beaver dams, campgrounds, cow pies, and the Weaselhead, before stagnating in the Glenmore Reservoir with dogs, birds, sailers and Northern Pike.

I'm not a southsider. Mine comes from the Bow. The NW water always did taste better than the south

[jammies]

Originally Posted by AcGold

Very good rhetoric but currently I have no choice but to drink the city water and use it in my cooking. If anyone is emotional it's you, this is becoming a personal attack because I don't agree with you. Whatever argument I give you'll construe, whatever I say you'll turn around back at me that much is clear.

You have plenty of choice, you could:

- Use bottled water
- Filter your water
- Boil your water and recapture the purified steam
- Hook a tank of water, procured elsewhere, to your house
- catch water in rainbarrels
- drive down to the river and fill containers full of it

People did manage to obtain water before it started coming out of taps, didn't they? You have plenty of choices, you just prefer to get it for free, which is perfectly rational; what's not rational is claiming you don't have any choice but that free water, when you do.

Originally Posted by AcGold

This is not how a discussion works, V was on the right track by at least not being condescending and speaking rationally. I haven't been passive aggressive or condemning in any way, calling me passive aggressive when there is blatant personal attacks, leading questions and false accusations against me is ironic.

No, this *is* how a discussion works - people that make obviously inaccurate claims that they can't defend are called out, and if they persist in clinging to their claims, despite repeatedly being shown that those claims are false, people become tired of explanations and begin to ridicule and mock.

Also, personal attacks would be saying you are an idiot, not that a particular opinion you have is idiotic. Try to separate your feelings from facts, as they are not the same thing.

[fatso]

Originally Posted by troutman

Our tap water starts from a glacier, then flows through beaver dams, campgrounds, cow pies, and the Weaselhead, before stagnating in the Glenmore Reservoir with dogs, birds, sailers and Northern Pike.

It ain't pretty, it just looks that way.

[Kjesse]

I saw that this was going to become a tartgetted PR campaign one week ago when a friend of mine who works in the dental field posted on her facebook page a blurb about the need for flouride in Calgary's water supply. She's a great person and smart, and trustworthy, and so on and soforth.

If you work with people's teeth every day, you see in people's mouths things that could be better, and the dentist's job is to help you making your teeth and gums look the best, and I don't doubt having flouride in the water helps them achieve that.

Still, a lot of informed people take issue with putting it in the water supply. I am similarly concerned. I would prefer a water source clear of any and all additives.

For my young daughter, I'd like to consider supplementing her flouride beyond what she gets from brushings. I think I can handle that and do not need city mandated flouride injections in the water we drink.

[DuffMan]

^^^ do you get all of your food from cnf? No processed foods or pop, or anything, really, that you haven't grown yourself?

[ExiledFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Delgar

Still, a lot of informed people take issue with putting it in the water supply. I am similarly concerned. I would prefer a water source clear of any and all additives.

For my young daughter, I'd like to consider supplementing her flouride beyond what she gets from brushings. I think I can handle that and do not need city mandated flouride injections in the water we drink.

Is this your stance on chlorine as well?

[SebC]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

The vote in City Council didn't seem to be particularly ideological. Both traditionally conservative and liberal types voted against the fluoridation of the water supply. I'm not sure what the rationale was actually. Maybe Bunk might have some insight.

Lefties: possibly pseudo-science!
Righties: save money!

Easy consensus.