[News] Kevin Hayes signs with the Rangers

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Looks like he is pissed at the Hawks about his brother:

Guy Flaming ‏@TPS_Guy 23m
Paraphrasing @CHN_AdamWodon here but "friction" stemming from the Hawks trading Jimmy Hayes. It's Adam's story though @Sebmono @coreypronman

Kind of makes me not want him.

If he wanted to go elsewhere because the Hawks have a deep lineup and there might not be a lot of opportunity for him, I could understand it.

But being pissy over your brother being traded reeks of immaturity, IMO.

If that is in fact his reasoning, I would hope the Flames pass and let him enjoy Florida.

[dammage79]

It is convenient that a big RW is just what the Flames need. Sign him if he wants to play here. Would it be worth having Hayes replace Jones and Jones be bought out?

[Displaced Flames fan]

The idea that the Flames should stay away because of the Schultziness of the situation is laughable. There are 28 other teams out there that will go after this kid if they feel he is a worthwhile prospect.

The Flames should absolutely be pursuing a trade for his rights if they like Hayes.

[Plett25]

Originally Posted by trublmaker

why would they take ANYTHING less than a 2nd

They might take a 3rd from a bad team... for instance our 2014 3rd instead of a 54th next year.

Getting a player in the system and learning Blackhawks hockey a year sooner might make 65th 2014 pick a preferable outcome to the 54th 2015 pick.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Kind of makes me not want him.

If he wanted to go elsewhere because the Hawks have a deep lineup and there might not be a lot of opportunity for him, I could understand it.

But being pissy over your brother being traded reeks of immaturity, IMO.

If that is in fact his reasoning, I would hope the Flames pass and let him enjoy Florida.

You have no idea what happened between his brother and the team...it could be immaturity or they could have really pissed the family off. If I felt some company screwed over my brother... I'd reconsider my relationship with them.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Kind of makes me not want him.

If he wanted to go elsewhere because the Hawks have a deep lineup and there might not be a lot of opportunity for him, I could understand it.

But being pissy over your brother being traded reeks of immaturity, IMO.

If that is in fact his reasoning, I would hope the Flames pass and let him enjoy Florida.

How can you possibly make that judgement? Maybe the Hawks weren't up front with his brother? Maybe he found out about the trade on the news? There are a thousand variables that you can't possibly know that would be legitimate reasons for being upset at an organization over the treatment of a family member.

[krynski]

Originally Posted by dammage79

It is convenient that a big RW is just what the Flames need. Sign him if he wants to play here. Would it be worth having Hayes replace Jones and Jones be bought out?

really jumping the gun here. let's see if he's nhl worthy first?

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

You have no idea what happened between his brother and the team...it could be immaturity or they could have really pissed the family off. If I felt some company screwed over my brother... I'd reconsider my relationship with them.

That's why I said "kind of". If it was as simple as you trade my brother, I don't want to play for you, I'd pass on him. That's all I was inferring.

There's obviously many other factors that could be at play here, though. It's an interesting situation that I'm intrigued to watch play out.

Clearly I need to put more detail into my posts today, getting called out on everything I say this morning.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by krynski

really jumping the gun here. let's see if he's nhl worthy first?

No jumping the gun at all. Jones is good for what? 32 games a season so far because of his shoulder? How can seeing what Hayes brings to the table for just as many games a season hurt?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

I've never seen Hayes play before Thursday's Frozen Four game, and I was not at all impressed. He was a big time puck hog when he easily could've created a cycle or fed it to the point. He turned the puck over a ton as well.

I will admit, it was just one game and he's clearly better than that, but he left a pretty underwhelming first impression on me.

That was the worst game I saw Hayes play this year - don't judge him from that.

He is a 6'4" former first rounder. He is a good prospect with a legitimate chance of becoming an NHLer - probably at least as good, if not a little better than Arnold.

If the Flames can acquire him - go get it done.

And if you like him, find out f he is willing to sign and if so, make a trade for his rights.

I would think a 2nd plus Cundari or a 2nd + 3rd would be an attractive offer. It is probably a safe bet that Florida and/or other teams will be looking to acquire his rights as well, so just offering a 2nd isn't going to get it done.

[Fire]

The Flames shouldn't try to top the 2nd rounder. That price is too high for Hayes in my opinion. Wait until he's a UFA and try to sign him.

[Enoch Root]

Let's put it this way: would you trade Cundari and a 2nd to get another 1st round pick?

And then if the Flames drafted a 6'4" RW, with that pick would you be happy?

I know I would be good with that scenario

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Fire

The Flames shouldn't try to top the 2nd rounder. That price is too high for Hayes in my opinion. Wait until he's a UFA and try to sign him.

He's not going to be a UFA. Someone is going to trade for him.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Fire

The Flames shouldn't try to top the 2nd rounder. That price is too high for Hayes in my opinion. Wait until he's a UFA and try to sign him.

If he isn't worth a 2nd round pick, why would you want to sign him?

[krynski]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Let's put it this way: would you trade Cundari and a 2nd to get another 1st round pick?

And then if the Flames drafted a 6'4" RW, with that pick would you be happy?

I know I would be good with that scenario

I just don't think i'd let Jones go (buyout) because of him. I'd wait for Jones to get injured before putting him in the lineup

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If he isn't worth a 2nd round pick, why would you want to sign him?

because you like him but you don't want to give up a 2nd rounder for him?

[Nehkara]

Trade Cammalleri's rights for Hayes

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

because you like him but you don't want to give up a 2nd rounder for him?

if you like him, go get him - if he isn't worth a 2nd, he isn't worth signing

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by devo22

teams can trade as soon as their season ends ... so we won't see a Hayes trade until the Hawks are eliminated

That isn't true unless they recently changed it. You can trade players after the trade deadline but they are ruled ineligible for the playoffs. We once traded rocky Thompson for Filip Kuba after the trade deadline.

[tvp2003]

No point in any team trading for him unless you've got an agreement in principle with him and his agent. But if that's the case, why give up an asset at all? Handshake deal and he signs as a UFA in August?