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Cali Panthers Fan · 10-09-2013, 09:55 AM

The Devils may not make the playoffs, but there's plenty of talent on that team to carry them out of the basement. Talk to me in a couple years though.

19Yzerman19 · 10-09-2013, 09:59 AM

Yeah I really agree that people are selling the Devils short. Compare that team to the Oilers and you'll see a massive difference in how the game is played. It's exceedingly difficult to get scoring chances against the Devils most nights. There aren't any passing lanes, there aren't a lot of odd man breaks or turnovers in the neutral zone. For the most part your chances are coming from the blue line or off the cycle. There's not a ton of high-end finshing ability in the lineup but they do spend a fair bit of time in the other team's zone.

They may not make the playoffs, but when better teams do beat them they'll generally have to earn it.

Stormchaser · 10-09-2013, 10:22 AM

Holy Crap! I know its early but that is the goal of the year.

Five-hole · 10-09-2013, 10:30 AM

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So does that mean the ideal situation for Calgary (if they tank) is finishing second last behind the Devils? Because that means Flames will pick first overall if either the Devils or Flames win the draft lottery.

It's unlikely the forfeited pick will be involved in the lottery in any way. If the Devs finish out of the playoffs, which seems likely, they'll probably have a 13-team lottery, and everybody moves up a spot who finished with more points than the Devils.

Enoch Root · 10-09-2013, 11:37 AM

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Really?

Keith Yandle isn't that great. He's on offensive D-man that gets the cherry offensive minutes and doesn't PK.

Wouldn't trade a first overall for him.

What an Oilers thing to say...

It is irrelevant where he was drafted - he is what he is today, not what he was 16 months ago.

I think a Yandle is about what the Oilers could get for him (or as Moon said, maybe a Marc Staal) and I would do that in a heartbeat if I was MacT.

flames_fan_down_under · 10-09-2013, 11:50 AM

Wow just saw that goal by Hertl, sheesh that is a slick goal. Doing that at NHL speed is incredible.

Miniac · 10-09-2013, 01:35 PM

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Just posted this in the gif thread.

Oil Stain · 10-09-2013, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What an Oilers thing to say...

It is irrelevant where he was drafted - he is what he is today, not what he was 16 months ago.

I think a Yandle is about what the Oilers could get for him (or as Moon said, maybe a Marc Staal) and I would do that in a heartbeat if I was MacT.

Today he's a guy that tied last season's calder winner in points. You don't throw that away for a Yandle.

TKB · 10-09-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What an Oilers thing to say...

It is irrelevant where he was drafted - he is what he is today, not what he was 16 months ago.

I think a Yandle is about what the Oilers could get for him (or as Moon said, maybe a Marc Staal) and I would do that in a heartbeat if I was MacT.

As an Oiler fan I actually agree with you. I personally don't see "Superstar" status that many oiler fans think Yakupov will have. If I could get Marc Staal or Yandle for him, I would do it.

19Yzerman19 · 10-09-2013, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Today he's a guy that tied last season's calder winner in points. You don't throw that away for a Yandle.

It's not throwing it away, it's pretty decent value. The problem is that a Yandle is not what the Oilers need. Now, Marc Staal on the other hand, I'd do if I was MacT.

You Need a Thneed · 10-09-2013, 02:56 PM

Yakupov is right in the period of time where it's really tough to trade him, becasue the team that drafted him doesn't know where he's going to be at yet.

He was drafted #1, and the Oilers are going to value him like a number 1 pick, because in no way has he underperformed for his draft position. Other teams look at him, and see a good player, but not a player who has shown himself to be great, yet. And so, they don't want to give up a kings ransom to get him.

This happens with nearly all draft picks.

Enoch Root · 10-09-2013, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Today he's a guy that tied last season's calder winner in points. You don't throw that away for a Yandle.

IMO, today he is a guy who has been a dis-interested perimeter player with no points in 4 games and has been mostly invisible.

But we can agree to disagree.

Oil Stain · 10-09-2013, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

IMO, today he is a guy who has been a dis-interested perimeter player with no points in 4 games and has been mostly invisible.

But we can agree to disagree.

Yes. 3 games overrides his history of production. Laughable.

Enoch Root · 10-09-2013, 04:21 PM

History of production?

One half season? 1/6 of his points in the last 2 games?

Yeah, it's like a library full of production.

See? I can do it too.

SuperMatt18 · 10-09-2013, 04:29 PM

Have to agree with Oil Stain.

If they are going to trade Yakupov, they should be aiming for a bigger return at defense then Yandle.

Yandle is a good d-man but you don't trade a 1st overall pick for him just a year after his draft.

Enoch Root · 10-09-2013, 04:32 PM

and who do you think they could get for him?

SuperMatt18 · 10-09-2013, 04:53 PM

I don't think they can really trade Yakupov and get full value for him at this time.

Yandle is good but if Yakupov lives up to number one overall billing it would end up being a terrible trade.

It's why I think they end up trading Eberle. There is less risk involved in trading the guy who is a little older, and who more established in what you are going to get with that player.

Enoch Root · 10-09-2013, 04:55 PM

If he lives up to his draft billing then yes, it turns out to be a bad trade.

But his value, today, is Yandle at the most.

SuperMatt18 · 10-09-2013, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If he lives up to his draft billing then yes, it turns out to be a bad trade.

But his value, today, is Yandle at the most.

I don't agree. You have to take into consideration the players potential when you value a trade.

Would anybody trade any first overall pick (any season) for Keith Yandle?

If the answer is no then you wouldn't trade Yakupov for him. Yakupov had a good season, and no matter how you slice it is still a top 5 pick from last years draft.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 10-09-2013, 05:18 PM

Let me get this straight. Some are suggesting that Yandle is fair value for a 20 year old forward that put up a 0.65 ppg pace last year and scored 17 goals in 48 games in the NHL (for the record that's 30 goals pro-rated)?

Can't tell if serious or just ######ing with Oiler fans.

Love to see the reaction around here if the Flames traded a far less proven prospect in Sven for Yandle. Pants would be shat.