Flames/Heat Line-Up - 2013-14

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

I think the Flames have too many players. I hate it year after year they open training camp with 20+ one way deals. They might as well put up a sign in the Heat dressing room that says YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE CHANCE.

I hate the Hudler and Wideman signings a little bit more every day.


Glencross..............Stajan..................Ste mpniak
Hudler..................Backlund...............Cam malleri
D Jones.................B Jones................Jackman
Galliardi......................................... ..Mcgratton

Giordano...........Wideman
Brodie...............Russel
Smith................O'Brien
Butler

Macdonald
Rammo

Not suggesting lines or anything just listing all of the one way deals for 13/14.

Unless moves are made only one opening night spot available for the likes of Baertschi, Bouma, Rienhart, Hanowski, Street, Breen, Horak, Cundari, Nemisz, Granlund, Wotherspoon, Street, Berra.

Oh, nevermind, Apparantly Corban Knight was recruited by being promised time in the NHL whether he earns it or not (if that is true i can't think of a better way to breed a loser mentality) so sorry guys. No spots open, I guess if you are a Flames prospect you have to hope for injuries or try it again next year.

Someones bitter. McGrattan, Jackman, and Butler will be sharing the press box a good amount of time. Blair Jones and Derek Smith will me in the minors if they doesn't impress in camp.

For the guys you listed:

Baertschi - Will be in the line-up pretty much guaranteed.
Bouma - Probably won't be ready to start the season in the NHL, but would be one of the first call-ups. Not exactly a great prospect anyway.
Reinhart - Another full year in the AHL will be more beneficial then playing a minor role on a NHL team. He didn't exactly dominate the AHL last year. He's 21, no rush.
Hanowski - Not a NHL player and odds are that he will never be one. He will be fighting for ice time in the AHL.
Street - Career AHLer
Breen - Probably the first call-up for the defenseman.
Horak - I suspect he will be on the starting roster, but time in the AHL wouldn't hurt him either.
Cundari - Probably takes Smith spot on the NHL roster.
Nemisz - Hasn't deserved a spot in the NHL.
Granlund - This guy has to prove he can play the pro game in NA. I have my doubts.
Wotherspoon - You can't expect him in the NHL line-up right away. A year in the AHL makes a lot of sense.
Berra - Feaster won't hesitate to place McDonald in the AHL if Berra proves capable.


Moving Cammalleri, Stempniak, and Jackman by the trade deadline will open spots for the deserving. Stajan could also me moved.

Butler and Russell are pending UFAs so they could be gone as well.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Fire

Someones bitter. McGrattan, Jackman, and Butler will be sharing the press box a good amount of time. Blair Jones and Derek Smith will me in the minors if they doesn't impress in camp.

For the guys you listed:

Baertschi - Will be in the line-up pretty much guaranteed.
Bouma - Probably won't be ready to start the season in the NHL, but would be one of the first call-ups. Not exactly a great prospect anyway.
Reinhart - Another full year in the AHL will be more beneficial then playing a minor role on a NHL team. He didn't exactly dominate the AHL last year. He's 21, no rush.
Hanowski - Not a NHL player and odds are that he will never be one. He will be fighting for ice time in the AHL.
Street - Career AHLer
Breen - Probably the first call-up for the defenseman.
Horak - I suspect he will be on the starting roster, but time in the AHL wouldn't hurt him either.
Cundari - Probably takes Smith spot on the NHL roster.
Nemisz - Hasn't deserved a spot in the NHL.
Granlund - This guy has to prove he can play the pro game in NA. I have my doubts.
Wotherspoon - You can't expect him in the NHL line-up right away. A year in the AHL makes a lot of sense.
Berra - Feaster won't hesitate to place McDonald in the AHL if Berra proves capable.


Moving Cammalleri, Stempniak, and Jackman by the trade deadline will open spots for the deserving. Stajan could also me moved.

Butler and Russell are pending UFAs so they could be gone as well.

Butler will not be in the pressbox. Sadly he will probably be on the 2nd pairing.

Posters that keep putting in Russel on the 2nd pairing have never seen him play. There was a reason at the deadline that St.Louis picked up 2 d-men to push him out of the lineup, followed by waivers in the offseason.

Breen and Cundari will probably be on the heat due to them having 2 way contracts.

Horak deserves a spot but he is going to have to fight hard to get a spot to start the season. Won't be surprised if its just like last year where he makes the team and then is sent down.

The rest i agree with

Posters forget that Hartely is on record for saying he likes to play his vets. That is what he has done his entire career and i highly doubt he is going to stop now.

[SeanCharles]

Healthy 23 Man Roster:

Baertschi-Backlund-Cammalleri
Hudler-Galiardi-Jones
Glencross-Stajan-Stempniak
Bouma-Knight-McGrattan
Jackman

Giordano-Wideman
Brodie-Russell
O'Brien-Butler
Breen-Cundari

Ramo
Berra

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

If Sven is on the roster, he had better not be playing 4th line minutes. I would prefer he stay in the AHL if that was the case. You don't keep him up just to keep him on the roster, the kid needs to play.

Judging by the fact you put Brodie on the 3rd pairing I assumed that you weren't writing lines and just listing players.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Healthy 23 Man Roster:

Baertschi-Backlund-Cammalleri
Hudler-Galiardi-Jones
Glencross-Stajan-Stempniak
Bouma-Knight-McGrattan
Jackman

Giordano-Wideman
Brodie-Russell
O'Brien-Butler
Breen-Cundari

Ramo
Berra

In what world is Galliardi ahead of Matt Stajan?

[bubbsy]

curious whether there any other NHL lineups penciled in thus far this offseason that challenge the flames for finishing last??

[Mister Yamoto]

The Vegas odds I looked at had Buffalo, Florida and Calgary all at 100 to 1. Myself I think New Jersey is the NHLs worst team on paper.

BTW, the Flames worst ever season is 97/98 when they were 26-41-15 for a .409 winning percentage. I say the Flames will be better than that but not by much. Rammo will be good but he is no Rick Tabbaracci.

[Henry Fool]

By the way, Kipper has reaffirmed that he has no intention of playing next season. He says that a while back when the Flames said that they're wait-and-see, he called them and said he's indeed not going to play. I don't know why the Flames haven't announced it.

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/jaakiekko...us-enaa-pelata

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

By the way, Kipper has reaffirmed that he has no intention of playing next season. He says that a while back when the Flames said that they're wait-and-see, he called them and said he's indeed not going to play. I don't know why the Flames haven't announced it.

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/jaakiekko...us-enaa-pelata

Probably because he has not filed his paperwork.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Probably because he has not filed his paperwork.

Well in that case someone should tell Kipper, because he asked the Flames to announce it weeks ago.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

By the way, Kipper has reaffirmed that he has no intention of playing next season. He says that a while back when the Flames said that they're wait-and-see, he called them and said he's indeed not going to play. I don't know why the Flames haven't announced it.

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/jaakiekko...us-enaa-pelata

It does seem weird that Feaster keeps skirting around that topic, and that the Flames haven't made an official announcement.

Although Jay did mention in an interview, that guys like Gelinas etc, said that once it was official that they had retired, they definitely felt immediate regret....so with that understanding, I cans ee why the Flames would give him as much time as possible before putting it in stone.

Kipper doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would change his mind though.

Personally, I'm glad. He had a great career and it's a shame he never got to win it all, but we are rebuilding, and have a bunch of young talented goalies ready to battle it out for the starting role. If Kipper were to return, every start that he would make would be taking a valuable start away from a younger goalie, and in this period of transition we need to immediately start looking for, and grooming our next starting goalie.

Heck, even if Kipper were to change his mind and return, I would hope for the Flames to trade him, TBQH.

[getbak]

By the sounds of things, Kipper and his family are coming back to Calgary for the school year whether he plays or not, so there's no rush to make an official announcement until he's back in town.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

It does seem weird that Feaster keeps skirting around that topic, and that the Flames haven't made an official announcement.

Although Jay did mention in an interview, that guys like Gelinas etc, said that once it was official that they had retired, they definitely felt immediate regret....so with that understanding, I cans ee why the Flames would give him as much time as possible before putting it in stone.

Kipper doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would change his mind though.

Personally, I'm glad. He had a great career and it's a shame he never got to win it all, but we are rebuilding, and have a bunch of young talented goalies ready to battle it out for the starting role. If Kipper were to return, every start that he would make would be taking a valuable start away from a younger goalie, and in this period of transition we need to immediately start looking for, and grooming our next starting goalie.

Heck, even if Kipper were to change his mind and return, I would hope for the Flames to trade him, TBQH.

Thought crossed my mind last week that they are keeping his contract on the books to stay above the cap floor, should they decide to trade Cammalleri.

[FlameFlickering]

Yep without Cammalleri and Kipper they would be about 700k under the cap floor

[Walter Reed]

Originally Posted by Dx54

Looking at these roaster predictions really doesn't make me excited for the season.

The payoff will probably result in a top 3 pick, that might help it taste better.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Thought crossed my mind last week that they are keeping his contract on the books to stay above the cap floor, should they decide to trade Cammalleri.

Originally Posted by FlameFlickering

Yep without Cammalleri and Kipper they would be about 700k under the cap floor

Cap floor is roughly $44 million right?

Well, take out Cammalleri and Kipper....but then you gotta add Brodie and most likely Knight and we are once again well clear of it.

I don't think the above scenario is a consideration at all, TBQH.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FlameFlickering

Yep without Cammalleri and Kipper they would be about 700k under the cap floor

Still have to sign Brodie though - and that assumes moving Cammalleri and no contract comes back (which is quite possible of course)

We can probably pencil Brodie in for about $2.5m

Edit: beaten to it

[Vulcan]

I remember when we were against the cap and Sutter couldn't call up who he wanted because the entry level contract was too high. Now it'd be interesting to see an entry level player make the team as we need his contract to make the floor.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

In what world is Galliardi ahead of Matt Stajan?

More to do with chemistry than the depth chart. Stajan, Glen and Stempniak were our best line late last year. They would go against other teams top lines so I'm sure that line will get more ice time anyway..

Also Galiardi and Jones have previous chemistry and its been hinted they may give Galiardi a look at center...

[Flames Draft Watcher]

So far it looks like the interesting decisions will be at centre and at defense.

On defense we've got Cundari and Breen pushing for spots and throw in Wotherspoon as a real darkhorse. We've got the newcomer Russell who is a small puck mover and the big, mean, agitating O'Brien. What does this mean for the incumbents? I think Smith in particular really needs to have an impressive camp to stay. I think last year he was steady but unspectacular. The year before it looked like his puck moving and puck rushing was a strength but last year he wasn't as impressive in those areas. I think his place is far from secure. Butler is another one of those tweeners as well. Not physical, not a pure offensive guy. Seems like our defense has too many of those types. That said Butler is probably the most experienced guy we have to fill out that top 4, I haven't seen enough of Russell to know whether he's capable of logging top 4 minutes regularly. Looking at the guys competing you have to like the physical play that Breen and Cundari can bring. Breen's size would be a huge bonus on our backend offset the average size of most and the below average size of Cundari and Russell.

Brodie-Wideman
Giordano-Butler/Russell
Breen-O'Brien
Cundari/Smith

That's a bunch of guys competing for spots. Personally I see Smith as an odd man out. I think Butler could be traded if Feaster can get good value for him.

Centre is quite up in the air as well. Backlund is likely pencilled in as our 1st line centre. Stajan is probably the #2 unless Horak or Monahan can beat him out for that role. 3rd line centre I feel is really up for grabs with Stajan, Horak, Knight and Reinhart all competing for that role. 4th line centre could be one of the above, Gagliardi or perhaps even a guy like Ben Street or Paul Byron. I really think Blair Jones is out of favour now and probably will be on the way out.

Glencross-Backlund-Hudler
Baerstchi-Stajan/Monahan-Jones
Cammalleri-Knight/Horak-Stempniak
Bouma-Gagliardi-Jackman/McGrattan