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Old 04-12-2013, 02:55 PM   #101
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Oh boy, are you ever in for a bad surprise...
Agreed. Saw this posted on Oilfans today. A little inflammatory (of course) but the underlying message is pretty bang on:

Open Letter To Calgary Flames Fans…

Dear Flames Fan,


I write to you from the Future, well actually from Edmonton, but from your perspective it will be the Future. You see a long time ago, 2007 to be precise, I was you. Ok, not YOU (because I’m not a Godless Flames Fan), but you catch my drift.
You see, my team had done reasonably well for a few years at the time and made a Playoff run all the way to Game 7 of the Cup Final the year before (Unlike your Flames franchise, my Oilers weren’t given nearly a Decade to try and recapture the magic). In 2007 the Face of the Franchise, a man who bled Oilers Blue, was dealt because he was a pending UFA. Sound familiar? It should. I was gutted, as you likely are. I told myself lies, like you likely are. I tried to make justifications, as you likely are. Hell, I told myself that Ryan Smyth would probably re-sign in the summer as a UFA and he and Kevin Lowe would laugh about it over beers.
I didn’t happen.
It took time but I allowed myself to get excited about the Oilers again. I know it doesn’t seem like you ever will, but one day soon you will get very excited about the Flames.
DON’T.
I speak from experience here, you have nothing to get excited about and everything you THINK you do have will only serve to crush your hopes. Every game for the next few years will be horrible. You know you will lose, and worse, if you DO win you know it won’t matter. In fact, winning will one day be something you WON’T want to happen. Try wrapping your head around that. And losing will be so normal to you and so critical to your happiness that you will have to one day (a long time from now) learn how to cheer for a win again.
It’s a pretty bleak picture, my friend.
By now you –God forsaken Flames fan– have most likely told yourself, “Not me, man. That won’t happen to me. My Flames are not rebuilding, we’re re-tooling.”
Guess what. That’s what the Oilers were doing after 2007.
“No, the Flames have 3 1st round draft picks.”
So did the Oilers in 2007.
Heed my warning or not, but at least listen to this once so you have no one to blame but yourself later: Your team has no identity, no stars, and no prospects of note. They are destined for failure by the heaping spoonful and no matter how many times you put your faith in Sven Baertschi he’s still just a crappy 2nd line AHL forward.
Take that from someone who once believed in Andrew Cogliano. Someone who knows that Robert Nilsson was the most talented Oiler in practice. Someone who could tell you that Patrick O’Sullivan once scored 47 goals in the AHL. Take it from someone who knew for a fact that Rob Schremp was going to run the Oilers Power Play.
This isn’t High School. I’m not writing you this letter to tell you it will get better. It isn’t. It’s going to get so much worse.
You don’t even know, but I do.
Just remember this. As an Oilers fan I’ve been hearing your mocking cries for more than 6 years while I suffered through this very same thing myself, and I remember each and every barb you threw at me.
There is no pity coming from me. The only difference between what you did and what I will be doing is that I KNOW how much it hurts to go through this and I will enjoy rubbing your ugly faces in the misery and hopelessness that waits for you as you try to cheer for your crappy team.
You don’t have a hope in hell of coming out of this gracefully. Your team is full of nobodies, your farm club is full of never will bes, and the picks who haven’t even been made yet will be wasted on the Mark Jankowskis of the world.
Give up now or have reality destroy whats left of your miserable soul one wretched game at a time.

Yours Truly,

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Old 04-12-2013, 03:05 PM   #102
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until management here proves that it's as epically bad as Lowe/Tambo when conducting a rebuild, there is nothing "bang on" about that letter at all. let's talk again in 2016.
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:07 PM   #103
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until management here proves that it's as epically bad as Lowe/Tambo when conducting a rebuild, there is nothing "bang on" about that letter at all. let's talk again in 2016.
I don't think Feaster has done his credibility any favours this year. But there's no denying Lowe has set the bar especially, well, low.
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:27 PM   #104
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Agreed. Saw this posted on Oilfans today. A little inflammatory (of course) but the underlying message is pretty bang on:

Open Letter To Calgary Flames Fans…

Dear Flames Fan,


I write to you from the Future, well actually from Edmonton, but from your perspective it will be the Future. You see a long time ago.........blah blah blah......

Yours Truly,

Oilers Fan
That was fairly well thought out but he misses a key point in that the Flames aren't the Edmonton Oilers. I don't doubt that hard times are ahead but I don't see the Flames making a lot of the same mistakes the Oilers have by primarily drafting forwards out of the same mold when the entire team needed help from goaltender out. Just because the Oilers botched their year of 3 first round draft picks it doesn't mean the Flames will. A lot of pieces had to fall in place for the Oilers remarkably bad stretch if ineptitude as even perennial losers such as the Islanders and Leafs haven't dropped to the depth the Oilers have over the past 4 or 5 years. As much as this fan may want to associate with the our predicament it's not the same. The circumstances maybe but different organizations, players and different people making the decisions. Not saying King, Feaster and Co. are geniuses as they clearly aren't but there is only one Kevin Lowe and Steve Tambellini. Oilers fans perspective is unique indeed.
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:35 PM   #105
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until management here proves that it's as epically bad as Lowe/Tambo when conducting a rebuild, there is nothing "bang on" about that letter at all. let's talk again in 2016.
If they aren't already there they sure are damn close.

The good news for Flames fans is there is still time to can this train wreck of a management group.

But if Feaster and his merry band of idiots are running the show I wouldn't expect much better results than what Lowbellini got.
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:39 PM   #106
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until management here proves that it's as epically bad as Lowe/Tambo when conducting a rebuild, there is nothing "bang on" about that letter at all. let's talk again in 2016.
I'm still holding out hope that we have a new team in place for the draft. It's looking unlikely though

I'd prefer we not give Feaster the chance to give us long term detrimental, job saving move to prove he's terrible and just take the near misses we've had as enough to move on.
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:44 PM   #107
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I'm still holding out hope that we have a new team in place for the draft. It's looking unlikely though

I'd prefer we not give Feaster the chance to give us long term detrimental, job saving move to prove he's terrible and just take the near misses we've had as enough to move on.
King and Feaster aren't overly influencing the drafting decisions and I am pretty happy with what I have seen from the current amateur scouting over the past couple of drafts so I don't see that being an issue in the rebuilding as going forward these picks are going to be the determining factor not any UFA's Feaster signs.
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:46 PM   #108
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If they aren't already there they sure are damn close.
As bad as the Flames have been this season they still won't finish 30th so I don't see them being close. The Flames would have to finish 30, 30, 29th to be close and that's incredibly hard to do even if you try.
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:54 PM   #109
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The open letter claimed that like the Oilers Fans we will once have to learn how to cheer for a win. When did Oilers Fans Learn that?

They have litterally only beat the worst team in the league this month,
At a time when that team had just hit rock bottom.
Has those games been a week earlier or week later there is no telling if they would have even won against the lowly Flames.

And this was obviously written buy someone who does not realize that the route of Edmontons problems have been there sub par Defene.

We are currently dressing 4 NHL quality defencemen under the age of 30, and are efforting to fnd a new goaltender who is not a 35 year old washed up drunk. I think Edmonton was 4 years into their rebuild before they even got here.
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Old 04-12-2013, 04:07 PM   #110
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^ '35 year old washed up drunk'?

Huh?
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Old 04-12-2013, 04:10 PM   #111
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I live in Vancouver.

Very little flak. Most people understand that it was time for Calgary to rebuild and they've made a wise choice. A lot of factors intersecting towards this being the ultimate year to suck in: Iginla contract up, shortened and compressed season, fantastic draft ahead, low number of sellers/lots of buyers, etc...

Took much more flak for the last 4 years, when we were unsucessful at winning.

Also helps that the Canucks have their own worries this season.
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Old 04-12-2013, 04:11 PM   #112
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If the Flames were run by a pack of anti-social ######ed squirrels they'd still be up by several levels of competency by the Oilers.

The fact that Lowe and Tambellini have managed to keep their jobs kinda proves that Katz has been sampling at the Oxycotin safes in his drug stores.

Somehow the Oilers have managed to convert 3 straight number one picks and 11 first round draft picks over the last 7 years into a blunder pile of losing (And no Oilers going from 15th in the conference to 12th is really no reason to feel all that cocky or proud), is a testament to a team design equivalent to deciding its a brilliant idea to put screen doors on submarines.

It would take an amazing feat of incompetence, laziness and outright lobotomization for the Flames to match what the Oilers have done over the last 7 years.
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Old 04-12-2013, 07:01 PM   #113
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Just wondering how much flak everyone is getting as a Flames fan for the team?

Today someone I know; an Oiler fan, insisted the Flames would suck for ten years. I tried pointing out the logic that if they sucked for that long they'd have a wealth of top draft picks and why wouldn't they be able to turn the corner after 5ish years as the oilers had done.
I'm finding a lot of rhetoric out there against the Flames and a lot of it is overblown. How about you?
Where I live I tell people I'm a Flames fan and they just stare blankly at me. I don't care how much progress they say has been made for hockey in California, most people have no idea there's even a league.
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:46 PM   #114
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Very little.
People in Vancouver really don't care about hockey enough to give good flak.

I suspect when the bandwagon gets jumping in the playoffs, the "die hard" fans will all start watching hockey again and I'll get a bit of flak then.
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None in real life, a metric coitus-tonne on this very site. S'ok I won't stop being who I am.
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:19 PM   #116
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^ '35 year old washed up drunk'?

Huh?
Sorry I get a little mean when I start going off about the Oilers. I think rebuild plan A for the Oilers in 2009 was to sign Khabibulin, Dress an AHL defence and add a 1st overall pick to their roster full of 3rd line forwards.

We are miles ahead of that. We have 4 Quality Proven NHL defenders that are not over the hill yet. and we have already started the serch for a #1 goaltender.

The Oilers had already been rebuilding for 3 years by the time they got to where we are. By that point in time they already had 4 vary good young forwards. But it doesn't take as long to amass good young forwards as it does to find a dependable goaltender or a quality group of defenders
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:46 PM   #117
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You see, my team had done reasonably well for a few years at the time and made a Playoff run all the way to Game 7 of the Cup Final
Time the F out, the Oilers haven't finished in the top half of the western conference since 2000-2001, yes they squeaked in 8th on the back of the newly created shootout loss point once and fortunately the top 4 seeds in the west all #### the bed in the first round.

Not sure what metric Oilerfans use as reasonably well for a few years but to me that doesn't define it.
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I was in Edmonton for the Easter Monday game with a group of Flames/Oiler fans. The fans at Rexall had virtually nothing to say. I was surprised/kind of disappointed there was such little banter.
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Old 04-13-2013, 03:16 AM   #119
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It's not such a bad spot considering our two biggest and closest rivals.

Edmonton: What can they say? Not only do they currently suck, they've been last-place bad for about half a decade. There isn't much they can say without sounding like that Verve guy that posts here making himself sound ignorant and hypocritical with every notion he tries to put forth.

The Oilers have been and are so terrible their fans just don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to criticizing anyone else's team / organization.

Vancouver: Sure they've been a very good regular season team for a few years now... but I really think that deflating cup run and epic city wide melt down humbled even the most indignant of their fans.

Any time a Canuck fan attempts to say anything to me I bring up the fact they have become notorious league wide for their emasculated, heartless demeanor. Their team makeup clearly favours embellishment and going down easy over battling through. All you need to do is bring up the likes of Alex Burrows biting and pulling the hair of another grown man... Sedin becoming a punching bag with zero resistance in the cup finals... and of course, the burning down of Vancouver in that epic hissy fit... and every Canuck fan knows deep down inside the disgrace that is now engrained in that team's very make up. You can just tell the realization of those shameful truths is understood from even the most boorish of their fans. A President's trophy doesn't change that in the slightest.


So at the end of the day, our rivals can't really say a whole lot.

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Old 04-13-2013, 07:16 AM   #120
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I have taken a lot of flak. Especially from Flames fans. I had wrote a thread stating the Flames not as bad as they have been painted, and people were all over me.

I am still optimistic about this team. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion.
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