Man sexually assaulted by four women

[valo403]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Of course it was unwanted touching, who wants a 65 year old woman grabbing your package while cackling when your 20? what I didn't feel was scared, and to be frank I don't think a guy would feel scared in that situation, these are drunken women, not even angry, there just isn't the same sense of sex=power=violence that guys give off, I can see a guy feeling upset at a perceived loss of dignity but that is wholly different

So you have to feel scared to be assaulted? These are some very interesting rules you're coming up with.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Whilst this is true I personally think there is a huge difference between being forcibly entered, whether you are a man or a woman, and being groped.

What if he was told to penetrate one of them? Does that make a difference?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

What if he was told to penetrate one of them? Does that make a difference?

Yep held a gun to his head or the like and told him 'eff her or your dead' then of course.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by valo403

So you have to feel scared to be assaulted? These are some very interesting rules you're coming up with.

No, I am drawing a distiction that just because it doesn't exist in law does exist in reality.

[Plett25]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

By the letter of the law we were all sexually assualted multiple times, and had it been a bus full of blokes and a couple of girls it would be wholly different, the reality is it is utterly different for men, I never once felt scared and mostly thought it was funny as hell.

So if it was a bus of old men grabbing, groping and pinching young women, is it ok, as long as nobody has sex?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Plett25

So if it was a bus of old men grabbing, groping and pinching young women, is it ok, as long as nobody has sex?

I am not argueing the behaviour is moraly or legally correct, I am just saying it wasn't that bad, as a guy, getting unwillingly groped by a few drunk women, nothing life scarring or even worth worrying about, and no, none of us thought it was fun or ok, just a bit weird.

[Plett25]

Why isn't it as bad?

Are women too sensitive? Are men more resilient?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I am not argueing the behaviour is moraly or legally correct, I am just saying it wasn't that bad, as a guy, getting unwillingly groped by a few drunk women, nothing life scarring or even worth worrying about, and no, none of us thought it was fun or ok, just a bit weird.

Didn't you say it was a bus full of you and your friends? Quite a different scenario than one guy by himself being assaulted by four hefty women.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Didn't you say it was a bus full of you and your friends? Quite a different scenario than one guy by himself being assaulted by four hefty women.

It was bus load (20 or 30) of old ladies from some club or old persons home and me and 3 friends. plus one middle aged bus driver who knew what we were in store for and was pissing himself.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Plett25

Why isn't it as bad?

Are women too sensitive? Are men more resilient?

I think its because the possible outcomes are so wholly different, girl gets grouped by 4 guys in a van, possible outcome they gang rape her strangle and dump her, I think most girls are constantly aware of how effing dangerous men are.

I do not think at any point in virtually any sexual assualt by a woman on a guy does a guy think 'I could be sodamised strangled and dumped in a shallow grave', I have worked with some evil girls in my time including more than a dozen murderesses, at no point in time was I ever scared of any of them, which, frankly was, in some ways, stupid as they were all bat #### crazy and prone to violence, but it just isn't built into men to fear women the way we fear other men.

[rubecube]

Cool generalizations, bro.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I think its because the possible outcomes are so wholly different, girl gets grouped by 4 guys in a van, possible outcome they gang rape her strangle and dump her, I think most girls are constantly aware of how effing dangerous men are.

I do not think at any point in virtually any sexual assualt by a woman on a guy does a guy think 'I could be sodamised strangled and dumped in a shallow grave', I have worked with some evil girls in my time including more than a dozen murderesses, at no point in time was I ever scared of any of them, which, frankly was, in some ways, stupid as they were all bat #### crazy and prone to violence, but it just isn't built into men to fear women the way we fear other men.

Possible outcome of people not taking sexual assault seriously:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle10940600/

Sexual assault is not subjective, it is wholly objective. You can't generalize that a guy would feel less shame or have less psychological damage because you as a male wouldn't. Sexual assault is a loss of control for a person, and even if there are no physical injuries, it can damage a person mentally no matter who they are, because they have felt like they have lost control of their life. Trivializing incidents like this and teasing about the fact that he shouldn't feel shame results in incidences like the article I linked above.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

Possible outcome of people not taking sexual assault seriously:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle10940600/

Sexual assault is not subjective, it is wholly objective. You can't generalize that a guy would feel less shame or have less psychological damage because you as a male wouldn't. Sexual assault is a loss of control for a person, and even if there are no physical injuries, it can damage a person mentally no matter who they are, because they have felt like they have lost control of their life. Trivializing incidents like this and teasing about the fact that he shouldn't feel shame results in incidences like the article I linked above.

OT, but suprise, surprise, the RCMP proves to be completely ineffective/incompetent yet again.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I have worked with some evil girls in my time including more than a dozen murderesses, at no point in time was I ever scared of any of them, which, frankly was, in some ways, stupid as they were all bat #### crazy and prone to violence, but it just isn't built into men to fear women the way we fear other men.

O hai ther, Internet Tough Guy!

[Daradon]

Just reported this story to my mom and the first thing out of her mouth was, 'wow, they must have been out for him for some reason...'

Imagine if that was said the other way around. Right along the lines of, 'she was asking for it...'

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by polak

I don't know, it seems like it's a lot easier for a girl to ruin your life by claiming rape after you had consensual sex then any other accusation I could think of. Especially in the media. When it comes to rape allegations, the media throws "innocent until proven guilty" out the window immediatly. Make that girl underage and you might as well just give up.

This mostly applies to high profile rape cases. In general, small town cases when a woman accuses someone of rape it is often swept under the rug--think of Steubenville. It only became a story because Anonymous (who have their issues, for certain, but in this case they did something good) found videos of how awful these guys were and made a huge fuss about it to draw attention to the problem.

As for the media always siding with the victim--again think of Steubenville. A whole arse-ton of the coverage after the boys were found guilty was sympathy for these "poor boys whose bright futures were ruined." Even in very visible cases with a lot of evidence, there are a lot of people who want to place blame with the victim.

When a woman is a victim of a sexual assault at the hands of a man, the issue is people claiming she's lying, just out to get them, "was asking for it," or some other such nonsense.

When a man is the victim of assault at the hands of a woman, he is degraded, made fun of, emasculated, etc. Both are problems. Period. Both cases are sexual assault, and both need to be handled better by our society.

Originally Posted by polak

1% of fradulent cases (if that's the real number, plus however many people that haven't been exonerated) is still an issue. A very serious one for that matter.

I'm less worried about the 1% of fraudulent cases and more worried about the percentage that 1) don't get reported to police or 2) don't result in an arrest or punishment for the rapist. For every 1 case of a falsely accused rape, I'd imagine there are a whole lot more cases of actual rape that go without even a single day of imprisonment for the rapist.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by rubecube

OT, but suprise, surprise, the RCMP proves to be completely ineffective/incompetent yet again.

Based upon what exactly? I know nothing about that case but right now all that there is to go on is a news story with the mother claiming that she was raped and the RCMP investigated but found no evidence of a rape occurring. This could be a case of the sexual assault not being taken seriously, but I would rather it be proven in a court of law rather than a court of public opinion.

[Dion]

More info to report...

They parked just a few blocks away, and it is alleged that the man was sexually assaulted by all four women at that time.

He was then driven a short distance away and asked to leave, police say.
Investigators say the suspects were seen leaving the area in "a silver Honda SUV-type vehicle."

Police say the suspects were each wearing short, black dresses and high heels.

All four women are described as being Caucasian, between 30 and 36 years of age, each weighing 190-200 pounds and standing about five feet, four inches tall.

The driver of the vehicle had blond hair, wings tattooed on the back of her neck and spoke with an accent that was possibly British.
Another suspect had longer, dark hair with the bottom dyed red.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...-suspects.html

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by SebC

O hai ther, Internet Tough Guy!

For your information I spent 3 years working at a parole house for women coming out of P4W (Kingston Pen) and then 11 years as a release worker at a youth corrections center, I didn't imply it made me tough I was just commenting on the fact that I actually have had extensive experience of working with both male and female murderers, sex offendors and violent criminals.

[Sr. Mints]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Good call. The best way to combat harmful societal norms and stigmas is just to accept that they exist and there is nothing we can do about them.

No, no. no . . . everybody knows the best way to start an intelligent conversation in an effort to change commonly held stigmas and deal with multifaceted cultural problems is to burn things.