Calgary's bishop putting girls' health at risk

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Canehdianman

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Personally, I think he's a piece of ####. ..

And, I repeat, this is a rude and inappropriate personal insult.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

And, I repeat, this is a rude and inappropriate personal insult.

Defend the Bishop all you want, but you don't get a pass for your Muslim comment.

[Canehdianman]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

And, I repeat, this is a rude and inappropriate personal insult.

I'm sorry I triggered you. Do you have a safe space nearby?

[SportsJunky]

The cynic in me is wondering if we are going to get some news about the Bishop's past as we so often do with these sudden resignation announcements.

[Kybosh]

NSFW!

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Defend the Bishop all you want, but you don't get a pass for your Muslim comment.

I am not asking you or anyone for a pass. People got killed for publishing a simple cartoon depicting Prophet Mohamed. So, don't pretend to be offended by a suggestion of radical Islamic violence against public criticism. If you're so brave, take your chances - call a local Muslim leader "a piece of $$$$" publicly and sign your name.

Bishop Henry has been a distinguished leader. Insulting him like that was reprehensible.

[PsYcNeT]

Henry's retirement would have passed without notice if he didn't go fighting social progress tooth and nail in the most public manner possible every 2 years for the last decade and a half. He brought any scrutiny upon himself with his very vocal opinions about a myriad of topics that have passed him by. If you see that as an indictment against Catholics (who hold a very broad range of ideas), then you're being willfully ignorant.

Also, lollin' about your Muslims comment. That's some real tolerance there.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I am not asking you or anyone for a pass. People got killed for publishing a simple cartoon depicting Prophet Mohamed. So, don't pretend to be offended by a suggestion of radical Islamic violence against public criticism. If you're so brave, take your chances - call a local Muslim leader "a piece of $$$$" publicly and sign your name.

Bishop Henry has been a distinguished leader. Insulting him like that was reprehensible.

LOL gimme a break. This thread has nothing to do with Muslims. You being offended because someone made a comment about a friend of yours doesn't make it ok for you to make a stupid comment about another religion.

[Locke]

The best part is that theyb replaced him with McGrattan!

Time for some tough love!

[burn_this_city]

The local Imam is going to get ISIS after you. Watch out people.

[burn_this_city]

Bishop Henry was a JP2 fossil who railed against common sense measures. He was a terrible Bishop and provided plenty of ammo to people who think the Catholic church is a puritan backwater.

[Flacker]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Bishop Henry was a JP2 fossil who railed against common sense measures. He was a terrible Bishop and provided plenty of ammo to people who think the Catholic church is a puritan backwater.

Yeah, I'm not sure how, "distinguished leader", could possibly be used to describe this guy.

[FiftyBelow]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Henry's retirement would have passed without notice if he didn't go fighting social progress tooth and nail in the most public manner possible every 2 years for the last decade and a half. He brought any scrutiny upon himself with his very vocal opinions about a myriad of topics that have passed him by. If you see that as an indictment against Catholics (who hold a very broad range of ideas), then you're being willfully ignorant.

Also, lollin' about your Muslims comment. That's some real tolerance there.

Fair enough. The thing that surprises me though is that people are so surprised at his stances. He's a Catholic bishop after all. The church has been fairly stable in doctrine and this consistency remains in its bishops. There might be slight minute variances between each one but the major stances are generally well-maintained.

In terms of the broad range of views among Catholics, that can't be denied. However, break down Catholics into fully practicing and non-practicing and you'll see some consistency. Those who actually still go to church, receive the sacraments regularly etc.--actual Catholics--are largely in line with current doctrine. I often wonder why cafeteria Catholics even bother calling themselves Catholics if many of them don't even practice what is taught or believe in key tenets of the faith. Why not start another church... after all that is how the other Protestant churches began. It's at least more honest than trying to convince themselves they're still Catholic. What secular society doesn't realize is that the church is not meant to be democratic. It is meant to proclaim what it believes is truth.

Perspectives on hot button issues such as abortion, euthanasia, pre-marital sex etc. are based on Catholic doctrine and teachings that have been around for centuries. When the church sets a stance, they're not asking first and foremost what do the people desire, they're asking what is consistent with scripture, revelation, teachings etc.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Haha what?

Most practising Muslims are more conservative than even conservative Catholics. Increasing numbers of Muslims are enrolling in Catholic schools because of their policies on morality and sex education. And while the violence comment was out of line, I find it extremely unlikely that the kinds of people who are jeering at Henry would make the same derisive comments about an imam or the faith of Alberta Muslims.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by Canehdianman

I'm sorry I triggered you. Do you have a safe space nearby?

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by FiftyBelow

Fair enough. The thing that surprises me though is that people are so surprised at his stances. He's a Catholic bishop after all. The church has been fairly stable in doctrine and this consistency remains in its bishops. There might be slight minute variances between each one but the major stances are generally well-maintained.

In terms of the broad range of views among Catholics, that can't be denied. However, break down Catholics into fully practicing and non-practicing and you'll see some consistency. Those who actually still go to church, receive the sacraments regularly etc.--actual Catholics--are largely in line with current doctrine. I often wonder why cafeteria Catholics even bother calling themselves Catholics if many of them don't even practice what is taught or believe in key tenets of the faith. Why not start another church... after all that is how the other Protestant churches began. It's at least more honest than trying to convince themselves they're still Catholic. What secular society doesn't realize is that the church is not meant to be democratic. It is meant to proclaim what it believes is truth.

Perspectives on hot button issues such as abortion, euthanasia, pre-marital sex etc. are based on Catholic doctrine and teachings that have been around for centuries. When the church sets a stance, they're not asking first and foremost what do the people desire, they're asking what is consistent with scripture, revelation, teachings etc.

Do you have any examples of any other Catholic bishops in Canada that often pen anti-homosexual op-ed pieces in large-distribution newspapers?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by FiftyBelow

Fair enough. The thing that surprises me though is that people are so surprised at his stances. He's a Catholic bishop after all. The church has been fairly stable in doctrine and this consistency remains in its bishops. There might be slight minute variances between each one but the major stances are generally well-maintained.

In terms of the broad range of views among Catholics, that can't be denied. However, break down Catholics into fully practicing and non-practicing and you'll see some consistency. Those who actually still go to church, receive the sacraments regularly etc.--actual Catholics--are largely in line with current doctrine. I often wonder why cafeteria Catholics even bother calling themselves Catholics if many of them don't even practice what is taught or believe in key tenets of the faith. Why not start another church... after all that is how the other Protestant churches began. It's at least more honest than trying to convince themselves they're still Catholic. What secular society doesn't realize is that the church is not meant to be democratic. It is meant to proclaim what it believes is truth.

Perspectives on hot button issues such as abortion, euthanasia, pre-marital sex etc. are based on Catholic doctrine and teachings that have been around for centuries. When the church sets a stance, they're not asking first and foremost what do the people desire, they're asking what is consistent with scripture, revelation, teachings etc.

However in particular when it comes to educating children it is consistently Henry as opposed to other Canadian Catholic Bishops that oppose things like vaccinations. You can be anti-Pre-marital sex without being in favour of abstinence only education and against vaccinating people. His draconian application of Catholic belief was a problem.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Most practising Muslims are more conservative than even conservative Catholics. Increasing numbers of Muslims are enrolling in Catholic schools because of their policies on morality and sex education. And while the violence comment was out of line, I find it extremely unlikely that the kinds of people who are jeering at Henry would make the same derisive comments about an imam or the faith of Alberta Muslims.

How do Muslims get their kids in Catholic schools absent a parental baptism certificate?

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I know, it's an Internet forum... But whatever happened to the elementary civility? Not only you have insulted a really good man, you have also insulted over one million Catholics in Alberta. If you had said something like this about a local Muslim leader, your life could have been in jeopardy.

I am not a Catholic and I do not agree with Catholic doctrines on many (actually, most) issues. But I have known Bishop Henry personally for over 18 years since his arrival in Calgary and count him as one of the smartest, most intelligent, wisest and kindest people I have ever known. He is retiring due to a rapidly deteriorating health issue and has been physically suffering for a long time before finally deciding to ask the Pope to allow for his retirement.

Disagree with spiritual/religious stances all you want. Just don't be an a$$.

Just wanted to clarify why I thanked this post... and clarify what parts I am NOT thanking

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

How do Muslims get their kids in Catholic schools absent a parental baptism certificate?

You don't need to have a Catholic parent to enrol in Catholic high school.