I somewhat disagree - I don`t think you can compare those two jobs ( i have done both) - most dishwashers are some 16 year old kid still living with mommy and daddy and the odd hipster who has no social skills. A dishwasher may `work` but the stress level of a server can be much greater at times - considering they are slaving for your extra pennies to pay off their student loans.
I don't think you can generalize most dishwashers as 16 year old kids. Many are the same age as the servers out front, (unless you're in a place where you have career servers and actual professional cooks on the entire line). Many are middle aged immigrants who haven't learned english yet. Mostly, they're just people who need work and that's the best they can do.
Regardless, as someone else who has also done both, I never felt like server stress level was that big of a deal. (maybe when I started out and hadn't figured out the routines yet) And I would never use the phrase "slaving for your extra pennies" as it often felt like at the end of the night I had a bunch of free money in my pocket. (particularly when I compared it to what I would have made before as a line cook, and then I would remember my hourly on top of that)
As far as not enough hours as a server, better servers get better shifts. Those are the rules, your manager distributes the busy times and good shifts to the best servers because they can be trusted at the busy times when restaurant stress levels go high. This also happens to be the time when the most money is made, or hours are earned.
Serving is a decent job for 18 to twenty-somethings, so I have no problem with people tipping whatever they feel is appropriate (even if it's nothing, I used to imagine they were from europe or something, it happens). Some nights are garbage, but some nights you hit big, unfortunately a lot of servers forget the big nights because we'd blow it on drinks for everyone and only remember the 3.00 someone left on the 47.00 tab.
One thing I cannot stand is having an empty beer, or wine glass. There is no exccuse for my drink being empty. Refillable soda, sure I get it, you're busy and it adds nothing to my bill. When i'm paying $6 a drink.... My glass should never be empty. And it happens so often. Get more drinks on my tab and you get more money in your pocket its as simple as that. That is a sure way to get me to tip less.
Agreed, this is pretty much the only thing that GMG when I'm out.
Funny i found this thread. One time i tipped the Pizza guy only 5%. I didn't really know my math well so i just let it be. When we ordered again it was the same delivery guy and he found the tip amount i gave him last time insulting so i gave him a 20% tip the second time. I felt kinda confused the second time around but he seemed to be pretty serious about it.
I can only remember tipping nothing one time. We went to Brewster's in McKenzie Towne after golfing and I had a salad come with my meal in a bowl on the side. This salad was, no joke, 80% a huge, inedible piece of lettuce core. I told the server about it and she said she would "notify the kitchen and get a manager." She took the salad away.
No manager came to our table, no replacement salad, nothing taken off the bill. We were in a hurry so we didn't pursue it further, but we left no tip and now I make sure to tell people about my bad experience at Brewster's. I swore I wouldn't go back (I had other experiences at Brewster's I wouldn't exactly call great before this incident) and I've persuaded groups I've been with to go to Original Joe's on 130th instead. Never had a bad experience there.
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Funny i found this thread. One time i tipped the Pizza guy only 5%. I didn't really know my math well so i just let it be. When we ordered again it was the same delivery guy and he found the tip amount i gave him last time insulting so i gave him a 20% tip the second time. I felt kinda confused the second time around but he seemed to be pretty serious about it.
Oh I forgot about them guys. Yeah i'm not tipping them as much as I used to.
Quite a few years back ordered some pizza from Panago while at a buddys house. Paid the bill and such. His old man was looking at it and was like WTF??? Delivery charge, they're just down the street. Cheap old ####er called them up and bitched and complained about the charge. Asked who specifically got the money., was a real jerk about it too, was funny to listen too, lol. They weren't anything at first but finally admitted the delivery charge goes to the driver. More and more places are now tacking on delivery charges to the bill cause of this. Not sure if its accurate the driver gets the money or not but if I see a delivery charge on the bill my tip goes down down down, lol.
The norm used to be you'd get a 10% discount when you picked up your food. Chinese places, and old school restaurants still do the pickup discount, so those guys I tip well. All the chains and bigger restaurants are adding charges tho.
I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.
They are doing their job for minimum wage. There is incentive for them to give better service to earn a better tip. You may counter with you don't get tips. You also get paid more than minimum wage and may earn bonuses.
A solution would be to raise the price of menu items by 15% and give the servers higher wages. This would lead to you not having to tip, but you would likely receive worse service. Since the wages are guaranteed, the servers don't have incentive to give you better service. They get their money no matter what. By keeping the system as is, you get some control over it, but the server also gets some control by deciding how good he/she wants to be.
You absolutely have the right not to tip, but when you return to that restaurant and wonder why your service is crappy, it's because servers talk. Good and bad customers are talked about all the time and pointed out. If you don't like society's rules, stay home. It's cheaper anyways.
I'm all for not giving a good tip if the service is bad. If the service is awful, I won't tip. A tip is a reward for good service and should be earned. I also hate when people won't tip because the kitchen screwed up. If it isn't the server's fault, why would you hurt them?
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I also hate when people won't tip because the kitchen screwed up. If it isn't the server's fault, why would you hurt them?
I get the feeling this isn't as well known as one would think. One would think it's basic common sense. The server isn't the person cooking the food, but the sheer amount of people who take out any issue they have (which is usually a kitchen issue) on a server is pretty staggering.
I get the feeling this isn't as well known as one would think. One would think it's basic common sense. The server isn't the person cooking the food, but the sheer amount of people who take out any issue they have (which is usually a kitchen issue) on a server is pretty staggering.
what gets me is having an option for tipping where the people have provided no service yet. For example at Opa I buy a wrap and fries and the tip option comes up on the interac. Having to pick 0% is annoying, why I am going to tip you when you provided zero service yet.
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What about tipping on a bottle of wine with dinner?
If you order a $60 bottle off the menu and the next day have the same meal and order a $100 bottle should the tip go up accordingly. (Assuming there isn't a sommelier who came out to provide you with the recommendation)
what gets me is having an option for tipping where the people have provided no service yet. For example at Opa I buy a wrap and fries and the tip option comes up on the interac. Having to pick 0% is annoying, why I am going to tip you when you provided zero service yet.
I hate fumbling and trying to find the alpha button or whatever it takes to not tip at a fast food joint. Putting the tip option like that on the debit machine grinds my gears big time.
Edit - and I don't normally tip when I get take out either, but at my usual pizza joint where I've become known by name (not sure if that's a good thing or not) I leave a tip. When I walk in to pay for my wheel I am greeted with friendliness all the time. And it's at a dive bar too.
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I didn't realize saying that I believe people should tip for takeout would be met with such venom. I'm talking about throwing even just a toonie in, especially if you are ordering during a dinner rush hour when the restaurant is full.
I can't stand establishments adding the tip button that have no business doing. I also dislike how some Moxies and chain restaurants hand over the debit machine with 20% 25% or other now for tip.
They are doing their job for minimum wage. There is incentive for them to give better service to earn a better tip. You may counter with you don't get tips. You also get paid more than minimum wage and may earn bonuses.
A solution would be to raise the price of menu items by 15% and give the servers higher wages. This would lead to you not having to tip, but you would likely receive worse service. Since the wages are guaranteed, the servers don't have incentive to give you better service. They get their money no matter what. By keeping the system as is, you get some control over it, but the server also gets some control by deciding how good he/she wants to be.
You absolutely have the right not to tip, but when you return to that restaurant and wonder why your service is crappy, it's because servers talk. Good and bad customers are talked about all the time and pointed out. If you don't like society's rules, stay home. It's cheaper anyways.
I'm all for not giving a good tip if the service is bad. If the service is awful, I won't tip. A tip is a reward for good service and should be earned. I also hate when people won't tip because the kitchen screwed up. If it isn't the server's fault, why would you hurt them?
There's a couple of people here who missed this joke. Forget the tipping dilemma, the real travesty is that you haven't seen this movie.
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One thing I cannot stand is having an empty beer, or wine glass. There is no exccuse for my drink being empty. Refillable soda, sure I get it, you're busy and it adds nothing to my bill. When i'm paying $6 a drink.... My glass should never be empty. And it happens so often. Get more drinks on my tab and you get more money in your pocket its as simple as that. That is a sure way to get me to tip less.
Where Mr Pink is wrong is that there is indeed such thing as "too f#%*ing busy" in a server's vocabulary. Restaurant owners can be very conscious of their labor hours. Sometimes, management will skimp on staff and put a huge load on their experienced servers.
I worked in a place where I would often have to serve a party of 30 by myself in addition to 6 other tables. (My record was 21 tables at once, on a sunny day on the patio) I was very good at my job and took a lot of pride in it but when it got like that, and there was no one to help me, it was chaos. Sometimes we had no hostesses and we did not have bussing staff so clearing and cleaning a table would be the server's job too.
So while I agree that the worst thing a server can do is leave a glass empty, to say there is "no excuse" for it is unreasonable. I just hope that people would look around before they make a judgement on the service. If your server is over-busy, complain to the management, but don't punish the server.
