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Old 04-07-2012, 12:25 PM   #81
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My dad actually got frauded because he left a poor tip. He was very upset with the service and food quality for a supposedly high end restaurant and therefore left 6 dollars and change on a 163.something bill, bringing it up to 170. A day or two later his Visa showed he was billed 190. He called in and it turned out the server added a 2 in front of the 6-something and changed his 7 to a 9 so it read 190. So yeah she was let go and my dad got a partial refund. Blows my mind that a waitress would commit a crime because of a poor tip.
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Old 04-07-2012, 12:27 PM   #82
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So you think Milestones as an establishment and the kitchen itself is interchangeable with the one at Mcdonalds? The only comparison you seem to be able to draw is that they both are in the food service industry.
You obviously never worked at a mcdonalds. You work as hard there as any other kitchen. Skill level may be different but that should be compensted with salary by the owner.
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I am all for an adult conversation about tipping yah or nay but if somebody honestly thinks that a kitchen run by at the minimum an educated trained chef and thinks it is the same as a high volume flash frozen menu, then it really just is a waste of time.

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You obviously never worked at a mcdonalds. You work as hard there as any other kitchen. Skill level may be different but that should be compensted with salary by the owner.
The entire establishment is different, you are dealing with customers sitting down, much different rushes, a much larger variety of orders, and a 100% different clientele and industry in itself.

And the skill level is not comparable and Milestones isn't even a strong restaurant by any means. I'm not discarding the work ethic or effort put into working at Mcdonalds at all, the two are just not comparable.
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Old 04-07-2012, 12:32 PM   #85
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My dad actually got frauded because he left a poor tip. He was very upset with the service and food quality for a supposedly high end restaurant and therefore left 6 dollars and change on a 163.something bill, bringing it up to 170. A day or two later his Visa showed he was billed 190. He called in and it turned out the server added a 2 in front of the 6-something and changed his 7 to a 9 so it read 190. So yeah she was let go and my dad got a partial refund. Blows my mind that a waitress would commit a crime because of a poor tip.
Partial refund? He shouldve gotten his entire $20 back
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Old 04-07-2012, 12:39 PM   #86
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I rarely tip above 15%, it's the same when I'm on the company's dime.

Serving is right up there with Realtors as far as skewed compensation schemes and self entitlement. I'm not saying I don't value what they do but I think they are overcompensated. I tip at fast food and at least 25% at the bottle depot.

If it's a restaurant I go to frequently I'll tip a little higher so I don't get a gob in my next meal but it's not necessarily because I think they deserve it.
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Partial refund? He shouldve gotten his entire $20 back
He should have gotten his entire meal paid for.
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This was 6 or 7 years ago at the restaurant at GM place.




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Partial refund? He shouldve gotten his entire $20 back
I don't remember specifically what the manager did, but it was some sort of refund. My dad didn't care about that, he wanted to know what was done about the server who committed fraud, he could've gone to the police instead.

Who knows, maybe she did that dozens of times before and no one noticed. My dad watches his Visa like a hawk though. Just surprising someone would go that far after being undertipped.
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I am all for an adult conversation about tipping yah or nay but if somebody honestly thinks that a kitchen run by at the minimum an educated trained chef and thinks it is the same as a high volume flash frozen menu, then it really just is a waste of time.
A lot of these McDining places like Moxies are basically just heating up food in the back.
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You obviously never worked at a mcdonalds. You work as hard there as any other kitchen. Skill level may be different but that should be compensted with salary by the owner.

You are right skill level is a big factor.

If people expect a higher salary that is fine but expect higher prices then. but either way you will pay.

I am comfortable with the ability to control my server's wage in direct relation to my satisfaction. If people are getting annoyed with tipping to bad servers (and I agree, if they are bad don't) why would you feel better knowing you are part of this person's much higher wage instead.

Good servers get rewarded with good sections and good hours.

For all of you guys that like looking at those hot Joey's servers say goodbye to them if you want to pay them a higher wage instead, cause they would never make the amount in a wage that they would make in a tax free tip. Those servers will just take a similar hourly wage in a way less stress free enviroment without having to act like she is your friend.
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A lot of these McDining places like Moxies are basically just heating up food in the back.
I agree the Sysco's of the world are destroying the dining industry.
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He should have gotten his entire meal paid for.
I must've read it wrong. I thought he only got a part of that $20 back. I agree, he shouldve at least gotten a voucher for a free future meal.

We had to fire a couple servers at our place who were caught doing that. I don't understand how stupid you'd have to be to try that. There is a paper trail you morons!!!
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I must've read it wrong. I thought he only got a part of that $20 back. I agree, he shouldve at least gotten a voucher for a free future meal.

We had to fire a couple servers at our place who were caught doing that. I don't understand how stupid you'd have to be to try that. There is a paper trail you morons!!!
May I ask what place is yours? When you say "our" do you mean owners or manage?
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I am all for an adult conversation about tipping yah or nay but if somebody honestly thinks that a kitchen run by at the minimum an educated trained chef and thinks it is the same as a high volume flash frozen menu, then it really just is a waste of time.
I worked at Kelsey's as a cook at a couple of different positions on the line, and there was not a single educated, trained chef in the bunch of us. There was some real cooking going on, but it really wasn't anything someone that can cook at home and handle pressure well couldn't do.

It definitely requires more skill than working at McDonalds -- you have to actually be able to cook different things and prepare the dishes (depending on your station), but don't go to places like that and expect your food to be cooked by anyone actually trained.
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If you go out and someone serves you and you do not tip you're a jackass, plain and simple.
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I worked at Kelsey's as a cook at a couple of different positions on the line, and there was not a single educated, trained chef in the bunch of us. There was some real cooking going on, but it really wasn't anything someone that can cook at home and handle pressure well couldn't do.

It definitely requires more skill than working at McDonalds -- you have to actually be able to cook different things and prepare the dishes (depending on your station), but don't go to places like that and expect your food to be cooked by anyone actually trained.
Fair comment but Kelsey's is still not on par with Milestones, not that Milestones is anything great.
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If you go out and someone serves you and you do not tip you're a jackass, plain and simple.
With no exception you tip? If so, you sir are the jackass.
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With no exception you tip? If so, you sir are the jackass.
Yes, I will always tip, personally I don't watch servers like a hawk when I go out, if there is a problem it's usually pretty obvious. If they bring me my food and drink and don't get too much in my face ie. "Are you guys finished negotiating with those menus?" I will tip them. If the food is terrible I don't go back, I don't need to place the burden of my displeasure on a single employee. I apologize for the jackass remark, I only used it for effect.
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People complaining about customers having to subsidize an employees wage thru tipping.... Just some things to think about.

Its not just restaurants mandating it now. Governments have decided that servers of licensed restaurants get a lower minimum wage. A server at a licensed establishment in BC gets $1.25 less per hour, effective May 1st. The disparity is not as much in Alberta. If you abolished tipping, servers could not survive, not necessarily because of their hourly wage.. Servers can't even get in a full 40 hour work week. A lot of them work 4-5 hours at a time. At a restaurant you'd be lucky to find 2 or 3 servers that actually get close to full time hours. Stat holidays screw that crap up. Keep the hours down, less you have to pay. Servers wouldn't even be able to survive on min wage job due to the ####ty hours they work. 20 - 25 hours a week. Do you really think if servers were paid a fair wage that the price of food wouldn't go up as result. Labour costs are huge factor in determine prices on the menu. All the chain restaurants have nice software that determines how many labour hours they should use on any given day and break it down to any given hour. Takes into account store history and everything. A 20% increase in wages (takes $9 to $10.80, still not worth working as a server at that wage) would result in well more then 20% increase on your bill in costs. That standard run of the mill meal that is $15 is going to rise to $20, no problem. Refills wouldn't be free. I bet tap water would cost you money. If the restaurants had to hike up wages to keep people employed as servers, they will nickle and dime everything possible to help offset wage increases. Continuing with tipping as a standard in our society will cost customers less in the long run.

I'll never leave no tip. Some friends and I left 13 cents once and the guy thru the change at us and hid behind the bouncers. That guy was a complete dick. We ordered a pitcher that had the top 3rd as foam. He was the bartender/server and we literally had to argue with him to go and fill up the pitcher properly. And he slammed the pitcher down like a jackass when came back and sighed like a baby when we wanted to pay by debit.

My wife and I do not see eye to eye on tipping. She is a chronic over tipper. She used to be a server. She doesn't think I understand the value of tipping.

My wife likes to leave 20% no matter what. Poor service, great service no matter she feels the need to tip 20%. She always gets annoyed if I don't leave a tip that high. Im not against tipping 20%, but its got to be good service. Bad service still gets 10% and decent, expected service gets 15%. If I have tabs that have way more booze then food, like an appy and 6 pints them im tipping closer to 10%. A meal and 2 or 3 drinks then it stays at the normal tipping rules for me.

One thing I cannot stand is having an empty beer, or wine glass. There is no exccuse for my drink being empty. Refillable soda, sure I get it, you're busy and it adds nothing to my bill. When i'm paying $6 a drink.... My glass should never be empty. And it happens so often. Get more drinks on my tab and you get more money in your pocket its as simple as that. That is a sure way to get me to tip less.

As for take out. I loathe tipping on take out. My wife always does it. For those of you mentioning the tip out the servers have to do and that is why you should tip on take out.. Take out orders for the most part are run thru the system by a manager, or the managers will change it later. Not personal experience, but my wife worked as a waitress for years, and my best friend is well entrenched in the restaurant industry, and thru him i've learned so much about the inner workings of what really goes on. I can't help it I like asking questions, lol. In his case, when managing, if a server got screwed on a tip to not even cover tip out, it was a pretty accepted practice to comp a non alcoholic beverage just so the server got something. Its usually the bar manager that does take out orders or the manager himself. They don't have to do tip outs, they aren't servers. There is no cost. You are saving them money by not having to sit down and take up a table for 30mins - 45mins if not longer. Restaurants would love to do take out all day long at the prices they charge for food.

If its one of my local watering holes, I tip fairly well and they treat me well. I have a few places I go to regularly, been living in the same area for a decade and I like beer, what can I say. These are the places that start pouring my beer as soon as i walk in. There is another beer placed down before my last gulp is gone. They always getting tipped well, and in return I've receive more then my free share of "samples" of food, beer and shots.
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I don't know why anyone in the world would be ordering takeout from Montanas or any of those chain restaurants in the first place
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