London's burning

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Itse

The kids these days. Now there's an argument that never goes old.

"Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers."

Socrates

[Suzles]

These are major problems with a disenfranchised youth that also has a strong sense of entitlement. There is immense disrespect shown by these young people. England has been on a downward spiral, socially, for decades. Probably the main reason we chose to emigrate. I am sorry for my friends that are still living there and some of the footage of the riots has brought me to tears. Makes me all the more grateful for Canada and its wonderful, polite people.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Suzles

These are major problems with a disenfranchised youth that also has a strong sense of entitlement. There is immense disrespect shown by these young people. England has been on a downward spiral, socially, for decades. Probably the main reason we chose to emigrate. I am sorry for my friends that are still living there and some of the footage of the riots has brought me to tears. Makes me all the more grateful for Canada and its wonderful, polite people.

See post above yours

[d_phaneuf]

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[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

"Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers."

Socrates

Do not attribute fake quotes to Socrates! Tsk tsk!

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Do not attribute fake quotes to Socrates! Tsk tsk!

really??

[SeeBass]

"The quote is commonly attributed to Socrates, but apparently there is
no conclusive evidence that he actually said it. The Library of
Congress notes that this quote is "attributed to Socrates by Plato"...

The quote may have come from Plato's Republic Book 4, where Socrates
is quoted saying the following regarding things that he thinks have
been neglected: "I mean such things as these: ? when the young are to
be silent before their elders; how they are to show respect to them by
standing and making them sit; what honour is due to parents; what
garments or shoes are to be worn; the mode of dressing the hair;
deportment and manners in general. You would agree with me? ? Yes."

The Greek philosopher Plato studied under Socrates. Plato complained
about the youth of the day, also. "What is happening to our young
people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They
ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions.
Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"


I am just going by this

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

really??

Sounds more Roman to me, perhaps a Pliny.

[SeeBass]

well it is on the internet it must be true

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

well it is on the internet it must be true

We're agreed then, a lizard person said it, or perhaps a reverse vampire.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

there are some stories going around the UK about vigilante groups who took on rioters last night

if it's true, absolute heroes

The Sons of Batman

In all seriousness though it is awesome to see people stand up and try and stop the rioting, of course there will be some argument on whether this is the best course of action or if it just magnifies the issues, but it is still nice to see people take responsibility to try and help the community.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

there are some stories going around the UK about vigilante groups who took on rioters last night

if it's true, absolute heroes

Do they by chance call themselves the Klan?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Do they by chance call themselves the Klan?

Actually those terrorist #######s, the muslims were well to the fore of protecting their neighbourhoods by all accounts, they organized themselves out of the local mosques and then patroled the streets.

[Regular_John]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

well it is on the internet it must be true

"The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is hard to verify their authenticity"
— Abraham Lincoln

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

"The quote is commonly attributed to Socrates, but apparently there is
no conclusive evidence that he actually said it. The Library of
Congress notes that this quote is "attributed to Socrates by Plato"...

The quote may have come from Plato's Republic Book 4, where Socrates
is quoted saying the following regarding things that he thinks have
been neglected: "I mean such things as these: ? when the young are to
be silent before their elders; how they are to show respect to them by
standing and making them sit; what honour is due to parents; what
garments or shoes are to be worn; the mode of dressing the hair;
deportment and manners in general. You would agree with me? ? Yes."

The Greek philosopher Plato studied under Socrates. Plato complained
about the youth of the day, also. "What is happening to our young
people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They
ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions.
Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?"


I am just going by this

Plato's Socratic dialogues are works of fiction. It's intellectually misleading when people attribute quotes from the Republic or the other works as being the actual spoken words of the historical figures contained therein (I'm not saying that about you, just whoever it was that originally created that quote!) Socrates never created literature, and we have no actual quotations of his. In fact, we don't really even know much of anything about him outside of the works of Plato and maybe Xenophon. Besides that, that quote is still nothing contained inside Plato's works, even if it is slightly contextually similar in a few cases.

It's not really important, but I figure if Plato valued the truth above almost anything else, it's fair to point out an inaccuracy in a Socrates quote. They seem to be some of the most common when quoting Plato's works and attributing them to others.

[d_phaneuf]

[TopChed]

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[d_phaneuf]

My colleague Vikram Dodd writes about the Independent Police Complaints Commission's initial ballistics results on the shooting of Mark Duggan, which triggered Saturday's initial riots in Tottenham.

The results show:

• The bullet lodged in the police radio is a "jacketed round". This is a police issue bullet and, while it is still subject to DNA analysis, it is consistent with having been fired from a Metropolitan police Heckler and Koch MP5 submachine gun.

• The firearm found at the scene was a converted BBM "Bruni" self-loading pistol. This is not a replica; the scientist considers it to be a firearm for the purposes of the Firearms Act and a prohibited weapon and is therefore illegal.

• The handgun was found to have a "bulleted cartridge" in the magazine, which is being subject to further tests.

• At this stage there is no evidence that the handgun found at the scene was fired during the incident. The FSS has told the IPCC that it may not be possible to say for certain; however further tests are being carried out in an attempt to establish this.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

When is Rob getting there?

Hes on his way, it takes a while to cross the pond.

[Yasa]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

My colleague Vikram Dodd writes about the Independent Police Complaints Commission's initial ballistics results on the shooting of Mark Duggan, which triggered Saturday's initial riots in Tottenham.

The results show:

• The bullet lodged in the police radio is a "jacketed round". This is a police issue bullet and, while it is still subject to DNA analysis, it is consistent with having been fired from a Metropolitan police Heckler and Koch MP5 submachine gun.

• The firearm found at the scene was a converted BBM "Bruni" self-loading pistol. This is not a replica; the scientist considers it to be a firearm for the purposes of the Firearms Act and a prohibited weapon and is therefore illegal.

• The handgun was found to have a "bulleted cartridge" in the magazine, which is being subject to further tests.

• At this stage there is no evidence that the handgun found at the scene was fired during the incident. The FSS has told the IPCC that it may not be possible to say for certain; however further tests are being carried out in an attempt to establish this.

Sources?