2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What if he is? If he continues to progress, it makes far more sense to trade Markstrom.

That is why they shouldn't rush it

This. Unless they get a "blew-them-away" offer which is more likely to happen if they're patient.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

What if both are Toskalas and none are Kippers?

Or both are Kippers?

Assuming the Flames have some idea?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bonded

They could gamble Vladar clears waivers and keep him in the AHL if they want to give Wolf a run this year.

I think the hope would be that he gets claimed to remove next year's cap hit.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by D as in David

I wasn't even aware that kids that young could get a NMC.

They only get them when they are given out like candy.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, they need to move a goalie at some point. But I strongly disagree that Markstrom is unmovable. There are multiple teams that need a goalie, and he is highly regarded around the league, regardles of what fans think. It is common for home town fans to value a goalie lower than everyone else does - we all see our goalie's mistake. But the truth is that all goalies make them.

The best situation for the Flames is to remain patient, and 'let the game come to them'. Someone will make a good (desperate) offer for a goalie soon enough. If we can move Markstrom, great. If it's Vladar, great. But either way, being patient, in order to get a better return, is the best way to proceed.

I agree that they probably can wait another year to trade a goalie, it’s not the most urgent item right now.

I don’t agree that Markstrom can be moved easily. You don’t see 6M goalie with term getting moved. The are either too important to move or too inconsistent to gamble on. You decide what category Markstrom is in right now.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think the hope would be that he gets claimed to remove next year's cap hit.

Not if he still factors into their plans. There is a probably a deal out there where the Flames take a similar contract for forward or dman if they really want to dump him.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The issue is that if you want to bring in Wolf it doesn't make sense to have Markstrom and Vladar on the team. At some point they need to let Wolf have a run in the NHL. They could gamble Vladar clears waivers and keep him in the AHL if they want to give Wolf a run this year.

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think the hope would be that he gets claimed to remove next year's cap hit.

There is no chance that he is getting waived, unless his game falls off a cliff in the next couple months.

Originally Posted by Bonded

Not if he still factors into their plans. There is a probably a deal out there where the Flames take a similar contract for forward or dman if they really want to dump him.

Yes, they could trade him tomorrow, if they just wanted to get rid of his contract

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

They need to move some forwards eventually but I wonder if it's more they trade a guy like Mittledstadt to free up space for some of their guys coming up.

I’ve always liked JJ Peterka, and I just looked up his stats-17 points in 22 games! He’s a hard-worker who’s willing to do some dirty work. I always thought he would make a good 3rd liner, but he looks to be much more. I think he would be a fantastic get, if they were willing to part with him…

[ForeverFlameFan]

Buffalo has a lot of pressure on them to make a move to boost their chances of making the playoffs. However, I don't see them going for Lindholm or Hanifin unless the extension is in place.

If Calgary wants to make the playoffs and trade the expiring UFAs, then it's likely we don't trade with a team like Arizona who is also fighting for a playoff spot.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Anyone who thinks Hronek is better, simply because he is getting points this season because he is paired with Hughes, is crazy. I hope Van is crazy.

Are they really crazy? Even if you take the season with Hughes out of it, he's still better PPG than Hanifin. Which clearly isn't nearly as important for a D, but it's something.

You could make the same argument about Toews who doesn't look all that special to me, benefits from playing with Makar, and got the 7x$7.25M deal from Colorado 3 years older than these two.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Also want to say that the Flames should really do whatever they can to get Frost. He's being wasted in Philly. Dube for Frost would be a fair swap. Gives us more cap to take on in another deal with one of the pending UFAs.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Are they really crazy? Even if you take the season with Hughes out of it, he's still better PPG than Hanifin. Which clearly isn't nearly as important for a D, but it's something.

You could make the same argument about Toews who doesn't look all that special to me, benefits from playing with Makar, and got the 7x$7.25M deal from Colorado 3 years older than these two.

Yes you could. But I think Toews has more of a body of work, without Makar, to support it.

If it weren't for this season, playing with Hughes, would we be having this conversation?

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

They need to move some forwards eventually but I wonder if it's more they trade a guy like Mittledstadt to free up space for some of their guys coming up.

Mittlestadt is currently leading their team in points. 20 points in 22 games.
I don't see the Sabres moving him as he seems to finally have blossomed into the player they were hoping he could become.

I would still like to see the Flames get Krebs in any deal with Buffalo.
Not great stats this year but is young has skill and speed and could really blossom with more opportunity.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes you could. But I think Toews has more of a body of work, without Makar, to support it.

With New York the body of work was 116 GP 11 G 35 A 46 P +8 20 PIM as a 26-year-old 4th round pick.

Career is 336 GP 43 G 153 A 196 P +141 88 PIM. Not really all that different from Hronek, just had more time playing with Makar than Hronek has had with Hughes.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If it weren't for this season, playing with Hughes, would we be having this conversation?

Probably not, I just thought it was interesting. I really don't know which one of them will get the better contract. But Detroit got Axel Sandin Pellikka for an unsigned Hronek, so I hope we get a prospect that good for Hanifin.

[Enoch Root]

Out of thanks, but agree on all counts

[shutout]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Also want to say that the Flames should really do whatever they can to get Frost. He's being wasted in Philly. Dube for Frost would be a fair swap. Gives us more cap to take on in another deal with one of the pending UFAs.

I would keep Dube for his age and his cap hit.
If the Flyers were looking to add someone who is more offensive and competitive I would look to see what they would be interested in trading for Mangiapane.

Mangiapane + 6th round pick

Frost, CBJ or PHI 2nd round pick (later of), Zamula

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

And as a parent of a kid under the age of 1, with a NMC, I really don't think Marky would even entertain a trade

NM: Joke already made.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

NM: Joke already made.

Serious risk...at 1 they are cute. Wait until they are 2 and they throw their cereal onto the ground as your trying to get ready for work in the morning.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

They only get them when they are given out like candy.

Cheaper than diapers.

[The Cobra]

Perry has been placed on waivers, Chicago plans to terminate his contract for unacceptable behaviour.