2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

Once the playoffs begin can 2 teams not in the playoffs make trades?

Yeah they can. Actually any team can make trades right now, just the moving pieces aren’t permitted to join the club until the end of the playoffs.

[Monahammer]

I often wonder why some of you are even fans of the club at all.
So much infinite pessimism. I understand it about the fate of the current pieces but it completely aggravates and baffles me when it's placed as an existential reality of this franchise. If you believe that #### off and support someone else.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Name some examples where Calgary has proven time and time again this is a bad opinion?

Kadri wouldn’t come here despite the team coming off a 107pt season

Lie. Kadri later revealed that he was only trying to stay in Toronto and would have waived for Calgary had he known he was definitely on the way out.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Markstrom is the highest profile UFA signed since Bouwmeester in 2009

Yes, and both were the most desired UFAs on the market in those respective seasons.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Tavares wouldn’t take a meeting here

Do I need to post pajama photo? The guy was only interested in one spot league wide.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Bishop blocked a trade here

Addressed above

Originally Posted by Vinny01

A NMC and 5x5.25M deal was required to get Dennis freakin Wideman to sign here

Offensive RHD Dman who had been on a cup winning squad and scored 46 points the season before signing? Averaged above 30 a season and had a 50 point season in the cup year?
Was a good signing at the time. He did great his first three years here (notably had a 56 point season while anchoring our top 4.) So this is revisionist and was a good contract.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

A small city in Western Canada with the worst building in the league and a team with a taskmaster coach and no elite talent likely puts Calgary in the bottom 3 right now for desirability and at best they are always bottom 10.

And here's the truth of how you feel.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

See also Mark Stone, who wouldn’t talk to Calgary about an extension (and the trade collapsed) versus being happy to come to terms with LV so they could complete a deal. Despite the fact his brother played here.

None of that was confirmed. The only thing confirmed was that Tre didn't want to do the deal without an extension in place, and Ottawa was pushing for more pieces (Valimaki) prior to allowing talks. Vegas met the price and was allowed to confirm extension beforehand.
Mark Stone is a canadian prairie boy. He would have signed here for the right amount.

Yawn.

[CliffFletcher]

The Hockey News used to publish NHL player polls annually, and Calgary always wound up in the bottom quarter of the ‘city you would most like to play in’ ranking. Brian Burke has commented that if a player has an eight team no-trade list, you can be sure every Canadian team except Vancouver and Toronto will be on it.

Acknowledging that reality isn’t a dig at Calgary. I’ve lived in this city since I was 8, I’m raising a family, and I plan on spending the rest of my life here. All of which has no bearing on whether NHL players want to live here.

Anyone who doesn’t understand that Calgary and other small Canadian cities face a handicap when it comes to attracting and keeping star players must find many of the transactions in the league mystifying.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Evgeny Kuznetsov was a healthy scratch.

He was added to the COVID list today.

[sureLoss]

on TSN LeBrun saying the Caps might be willing to listen on Kuznetsov as his antics are starting to irritate people in the Caps organization

[dino7c]

All the playoff teams think they are good right now...half are losing in the first round

some will likely be swept in embarrassing fashion. More teams will be added to the needing/wanting a shakeup list soon

and in the end only one team will win anything

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

It's a way different situation. Quitting on a team and ownership group who has done nothing but make poor choices for the last 6 years of your career while you showed loyalty to them =/ quitting because it's an undesirable location.

If a team makes a big pitch for him and brings him in to be the golden boy and to build around, no doubt the clock restarts.

Sitting at home instead of playing for a team that acquired you is disasterous. 1 youre not getting paid during the hightimes of your career, 2 you're not upping your future value.

Presumably Buffalo wants to move him because they no longer want to build around him, for whatever reason.

I just don't see how the two situations (eichel's current demand to leave Buffalo vs him sitting out entirely rather than playing for an acquiring team) are at all comparable. But please, Cliff and Cobra, enlighten me at how they are at all the same?

When was the last time a player refused to report to the team he was traded to?

You have made some good points.

But I doubt any team trades for a Eichel without discussing whether he wants to play for them. They’d be fools not too.

And Calgary minus the players they would need to give up for him ( and it’s not going to be Monny and futures) is simply not a very good team to go to regardless of the location for an American player. Especially when Calgary would have no cap space to make improvements.

And I expect many, many teams could easily beat any offer Calgary could make.


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[neo45]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

on TSN LeBrun saying the Caps might be willing to listen on Kuznetsov as his antics are starting to irritate people in the Caps organization

Can I interest you in a Sean Monahan? He was kind of good at some things 2 coaches ago

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I often wonder why some of you are even fans of the club at all.
So much infinite pessimism. I understand it about the fate of the current pieces but it completely aggravates and baffles me when it's placed as an existential reality of this franchise. If you believe that #### off and support someone else.

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Are you kidding me man? I am easily one of the most optimistic posters on this board about the team. I am a realist when I understand that a team located in the middle of nowhere, with a small population, but also with a fishbowl style life due to the team being the only show in town. The weather is brutal, the travel is brutal and it is the oldest rink in the league. To me it is pretty obvious and understandable why the Rangers sign whoever they want and a place like Calgary overpays for guys like Wideman, Brouwer, Neal and are never in the mix for a Panarin, Pietrangelo, Tavares etc.

I don’t think the Flames want me to #### off an cheer for someone else. Being a season ticket holder for the past several years I am sure they appreciate the thousands of dollars I spend annually on tickets and concessions. While I have debated keeping theses tickets if they enter a tank style rebuild I a former supporter of this team. I am not one of those posters threatening to cheer for the Kraken or anything ridiculous like that. I take offense to the fact you think that just because I have the awareness that the prairies of Western Canada are one of the least desirable destinations for NHL players.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

To me it is pretty obvious and understandable why the Rangers sign whoever they want and a place like Calgary overpays for guys like Wideman, Brouwer, Neal and are never in the mix for a Panarin, Pietrangelo, Tavares etc.

I think Calgary overpaying for guys like Wideman, Brouwer, Neal is why they never have the cap space for a Panarin, Pietrangelo, Tavares, etc.

Our GMs have never seen cap space as an asset. They'll do anything to spend to the cap and show how committed they are to winning, when sometimes that's the worst possible move you can make.

While I'm sure a place like New York is a more attractive destination, there are many factors that go into why UFAs sign at places. Being a competitive (top 5-10) organization that stumbles onto cap space is a big part of that.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

on TSN LeBrun saying the Caps might be willing to listen on Kuznetsov as his antics are starting to irritate people in the Caps organization

Stay away, thanks.

[Geeoff]

Kuznetsov is a great piece on a cup contender but this team is not a contender. We should be accruing assets rather than spending them on players like Kuznetsov IMO. Unless, we can really steal him.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I think Calgary overpaying for guys like Wideman, Brouwer, Neal is why they never have the cap space for a Panarin, Pietrangelo, Tavares, etc.

Our GMs have never seen cap space as an asset. They'll do anything to spend to the cap and show how committed they are to winning, when sometimes that's the worst possible move you can make.

Do you think they ever would have a realistic chance at players like Panarin, Pietrangelo or JT?

You are competing with Las Vegas, New York, Toronto.

Calgary just doesn't measure up.

It's not just about having the cap space. It's about not being a place where these players want to live their life.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Do you think they ever would have a realistic chance at players like Panarin, Pietrangelo or JT?

You are competing with Las Vegas, New York, Toronto.

Calgary just doesn't measure up.

It's not just about having the cap space. It's about not being a place where these players want to live their life.

Exactly and it is not a shot against Calgary. Most of us live here and love the city but it is just like other sports. Warm climates, more metropolitan centers, less travel are all important. I think Calgary will improve their profile once they get a new rink with state of the art facilities for the players but will still be lower on the list than the majority of other cities in the league.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Do you think they ever would have a realistic chance at players like Panarin, Pietrangelo or JT?

You are competing with Las Vegas, New York, Toronto.

Calgary just doesn't measure up.

There's only so much cap room to go around, even for teams like Vegas and Toronto. This isn't the pre-cap era where Detroit and Colorado could load up on every big fish.

Calgary signed a star player in Jay Bouwmeester the last time it legitimately had the cap space to do so.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

There's only so much cap room to go around, even for teams like Vegas and Toronto. This isn't the pre-cap era where Detroit and Colorado could load up on every big fish.

Calgary signed a star player in Jay Bouwmeester the last time it legitimately had the cap space to do so.

The Flames offered Brad Richards more money than any other team 9 years at $64M but he took less to go to the Rangers.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Flames offered Brad Richards more money than any other team 9 years at $64M but he took less to go to the Rangers.

Yeah. I know. It happens.

But when you're spending to the cap on B-tier and C-tier free agents, you're putting yourself out of the running before it even gets to that point. That's just a defeatist attitude.

Cap space is a valuable asset. Period.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I often wonder why some of you are even fans of the club at all.

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None of that was confirmed. The only thing confirmed was that Tre didn't want to do the deal without an extension in place, and Ottawa was pushing for more pieces (Valimaki) prior to allowing talks. Vegas met the price and was allowed to confirm extension beforehand.
Mark Stone is a canadian prairie boy. He would have signed here for the right amount.

Yawn.

I’ve posted the story numerous times. It’s sourced through Flames management. It’s as confirmed as any story about deal negotiations, and far more than many that are taken as gospel around here.

ETA: Dale Tallon tells the same story regarding his bid.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

There's only so much cap room to go around, even for teams like Vegas and Toronto. This isn't the pre-cap era where Detroit and Colorado could load up on every big fish.

Calgary signed a star player in Jay Bouwmeester the last time it legitimately had the cap space to do so.

He was an exception due to be from around here
The top players always get paid
The middle gets the squeeze

[Calgary4LIfe]

Calgary can absolutely attract star players to play for them here - once they start winning. One of the priorities for UFAs is to actually go to a good team with a shot of winning. Lots of UFAs are coming from teams with years of disappointment. Nobody from the 'A' tier will think of coming to Calgary right now. Few out of the B tier too. Calgary is looking at either the C tier or overpaying for B guys.


This is a really fruitless exercise as things change year to year and one addition can affect another, but...


Remember when Calgary 'almost' drafted Kucherov? That would have been great. I think most people remember that.


However, remember when Calgary was one of the 4 teams that Panarin was deciding on when coming out of the KHL? Yeah, bet most people don't remember that. So yes, Panarin did in fact consider Calgary, and at that point in time, Calgary was seen as a really good up and coming team with star players in the making in Gaudreau and Monahan. Panarin wanted to be a part of that, but Chicao with Toews and Kane trumped that, especially with being in a bigger market city. Can you imagine a team with Kucherov, Gaudreau, Panarin? Talk about fun to watch!


I really believe that the lists usually start with "Chance of winning", then followed by dollars, then location, then whatever else.