2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Lanny_McDonald]

Flames should sell hard but know they should only be selling players that have high value and sit on their players who have low value. It has been so Flames in the past to wait to trade high value players when they are at their lowest value. Iginla should have been traded two years earlier for an absolute haul. Instead, they waited and got put over the proverbial barrel.

Players the Flames should be trading right now are Toffoli, Lewis, Lucic, Tanev and Backlund. Three of these guys are playing great and should garner big returns based on what is floating around at there. Lewis and Lucic could garner returns based on their experience. Both these guys need to be traded because the coach is over deploying them, much to the detriment of the collective team. Get the big haul, try and get the team moving in the right direction and get the next group of players you want to move and get a secondary big haul. Then focus on building to the future with the new core of Huberdeau, Kadri, Wegger et al.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Just a guy

I might be wrong, but didn't Brady Tkachuk sign long term?

He signed after the ELC but Stutzle signed for 8.3 million a year for 8 years with a year remaining on his ELC. But all these examples are clearly the exception not the norm after TOFan said it never happens and if you think it should happen you are some idiot typing away on your keyboard and don’t know everything that the management team knows. Either way, it happens frequently.

Now Ottawa is stuck with a guy from his 21st birthday through his 29th birthday at 8.3 million who looks like he will be a 90+ point guy for the duration of that contract. The Flames signed a 32 year old for 7 million a year on a contract that takes him through his 39th birthday who will likely be a 60-65 point guy for the first 3 years of the contract. Two different approaches.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

He signed after the ELC but Stutzle signed for 8.3 million a year for 8 years with a year remaining on his ELC. But all these examples are clearly the exception not the norm after TOFan said it never happens and if you think it should happen you are some idiot typing away on your keyboard and don’t know everything that the management team knows. Either way, it happens frequently.

Now Ottawa is stuck with a guy from his 21st birthday through his 29th birthday at 8.3 million who looks like he will be a 90+ point guy for the duration of that contract. The Flames signed a 32 year old for 7 million a year on a contract that takes him through his 39th birthday who will likely be a 60-65 point guy for the first 3 years of the contract. Two different approaches.

Frequently? Like, less than 5% of ELC’s? So strange it’s only the Flames that are this stupid.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Flames should sell hard but know they should only be selling players that have high value and sit on their players who have low value. It has been so Flames in the past to wait to trade high value players when they are at their lowest value. Iginla should have been traded two years earlier for an absolute haul. Instead, they waited and got put over the proverbial barrel.

Players the Flames should be trading right now are Toffoli, Lewis, Lucic, Tanev and Backlund. Three of these guys are playing great and should garner big returns based on what is floating around at there. Lewis and Lucic could garner returns based on their experience. Both these guys need to be traded because the coach is over deploying them, much to the detriment of the collective team. Get the big haul, try and get the team moving in the right direction and get the next group of players you want to move and get a secondary big haul. Then focus on building to the future with the new core of Huberdeau, Kadri, Wegger et al.

Agreed, it would be so refreshing to see this mindset shift from Flames ownership and management. At least the direction of the team would be clear in everyone's mind and the fans would have something to look forward to. It doesn't hurt that this summer's draft is one of the strongest in the last 10-15 years from all accounts. I honestly think if 2 of Tofolli, Backlund, Tanev were traded at this deadline to contenders for 1st and 2nd rounders we could actually accomplish the fabled "rebuild on the fly". Having 5-6 picks in the top 60 of this years draft would go a very long way IMO to actually building a team that can compete with the likes of Colorado, Tampa, Boston, NJ, etc. in the next 3-5 years.

This current iteration of the Flames is just so mediocre I don't know how anyone could think that if we squeeked into the playoffs this year or next that we would actually have a shot the cup. Steinberg and company seem to think being cautious at this deadline is the best move and then make your moves in the off-season but after what we've seen in the Jeannot trade and others, I'm not at all convinced that the return will be higher in the summertime. Flames are likely convinced Toffoli is just entering his prime and this is what we can expect from him going forward feels bad man

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Why 6? That's completely arbitrary.
Bottom line is if the team wants to try and compete next season they need good players. They could flip Toffoli for futures, but then they are going to need a scorer like him for next season. How do they get that?

They shouldn't be planning everything based on 1 year. That is really short sighted and reactionary.

They should be looking at the long term goal of building a consistent contender. Toffoli is peaking and will be 31 when his contract is expiring. Sell him and flip those assets to acquire a younger player or use those futures to stock your cupboard.

Flames cannot afford to re-sign all the expiring UFAs as it will seriously mess up our cap strcuture. You can't let them walk for free. Tanev will be 34, backlund will be 34, lindy will be 30, toffoli will be 31, hanifin 28 and zadorov 29.

We already have coleman, kadri, huberdeau, weegar and markstrom signed well into their 30s.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Muta

Wonder if Lewis would be a good add for a team at the deadline. Has performed admirably in his role, wouldn't cost a lot, would be terrific depth for a contender. Duehr should remain with this team full-time, IMO.

3rd or 4th mayber? I agree he's a nice depth piece. He's underrated, perfect 4th liner, SC rings, excellent on the PK, and while penalties are rarer, pucks still go over glass, high sticks still happen and big kills are so key in the POs.

[Flames1217]

I would be okay with a re-tool/rebuild if they chose to target players first and not picks. I don't want to wait until 2024 if I am trading the player today.

Take aim at thier top prospects who have shown a consistent development curve and will be ready to contribute now or soon. Players like Pelletier or Zary. Picking an identity of players that you want to have in the organization is also a must. No more mix and matching players. Look at all the top teams, they have an identity and a lot of thier players play well in the same system.

If we traded Lindholm I would expect at the least a player like Newhook and a 1st.

For Toffoli I would expect a player similar to Zary.

I would then trade Tanev for a solid defense prospect who is in the 19-21 year old range.

Draft picks are cool and all but you can still find great players in the 2nd round. Stop chasing the 1st round picks and go after more established players and then add the kickers. Build around the prospect and not the pick.

And no more crazy deals in free agency to 30+ players please.

[Toonage]

We all seem to think highly of Lewis and he does have a history of winning but man, last year against the Oil, the team was bad. Lewis in particular was awful. 4th might be the ceiling IMO

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Muta

Wonder if Lewis would be a good add for a team at the deadline. Has performed admirably in his role, wouldn't cost a lot, would be terrific depth for a contender. Duehr should remain with this team full-time, IMO.

He should be traded, Flames are quickly dropping out of the wild card race.

They should move a player like Lewis to a cup contender.

Even if its only for a late pick

[Fuzzy14]

The disappointing part in seeing all of these excellent returns for players, is knowing that we have similar chips to trade but refuse to do so, and we'll probably miss the playoffs and be stuck standing there with our d*cks in our hands.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

I would be okay with a re-tool/rebuild if they chose to target players first and not picks. I don't want to wait until 2024 if I am trading the player today.

Take aim at thier top prospects who have shown a consistent development curve and will be ready to contribute now or soon. Players like Pelletier or Zary. Picking an identity of players that you want to have in the organization is also a must. No more mix and matching players. Look at all the top teams, they have an identity and a lot of thier players play well in the same system.

If we traded Lindholm I would expect at the least a player like Newhook and a 1st.

For Toffoli I would expect a player similar to Zary.

I would then trade Tanev for a solid defense prospect who is in the 19-21 year old range.

Draft picks are cool and all but you can still find great players in the 2nd round. Stop chasing the 1st round picks and go after more established players and then add the kickers. Build around the prospect and not the pick.

And no more crazy deals in free agency to 30+ players please.

Nothing wrong with flipping picks in the offseason for young, established players. Washington flips 30+ year old Orlov and is interested in turning around and getting Chychryn is a pretty nice play if they pull it off.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy14

The disappointing part in seeing all of these excellent returns for players, is knowing that we have similar chips to trade but refuse to do so, and we'll probably miss the playoffs and be stuck standing there with our d*cks in our hands.

Looking forward to the press conference on Friday already

"Prices just didn't make sense for us"

"Gotta stick to the process"

"Real life.. ya know, it's not a video game"

Meanwhile I doubt you could get that Nashville/Tampa deal accepted in GM mode on NHL. Sell while the market is hot AF please. No excuses, play like a champion.

[Toonage]

So really the only contender out east that hasn't done anything yet is Carolina. Otherwise if the Flames do sell, it will be to teams in the west I assume.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Ashes

Looking forward to the press conference on Friday already

"Prices just didn't make sense for us"

"Gotta stick to the process"

"Real life.. ya know, it's not a video game"

Meanwhile I doubt you could get that Nashville/Tampa deal accepted in GM mode on NHL. Sell while the market is hot AF please. No excuses, play like a champion.

"I really like this team...."

[GreenLantern2814]

Seems to me, the last time this organization truly sold high on a player was Nieuwendyk.

Given how that turned out, you can understand why they’ve NEVER tried it again.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Nothing wrong with flipping picks in the offseason for young, established players. Washington flips 30+ year old Orlov and is interested in turning around and getting Chychryn is a pretty nice play if they pull it off.

Exactly. If the flames don't want to rebuild ever then they need to be smart at flipping assets acquired from expiring UFAs into younger players.
If we moved a couple players we could make a run at chychrun or the meier/debrincat of the offseason.

[Atodaso]

Originally Posted by flambers

"I really like this team...."

"The answers are in the room."

[CFO]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Seems to me, the last time this organization truly sold high on a player was Nieuwendyk.

Given how that turned out, you can understand why they’ve NEVER tried it again.

That trade was lucky on flames part as iginla wasn't the prospect the flames originally wanted.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by CFO

That trade was lucky on flames part as iginla wasn't the prospect the flames originally wanted.

Its hilarious that 2 of the biggest franchise icons weren't even part of the original plan. Iginla & Kipper. Could have had Harvey & Toskala.

Let that sink in.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Toonage

So really the only contender out east that hasn't done anything yet is Carolina. Otherwise if the Flames do sell, it will be to teams in the west I assume.

Toffoli for a 1st and one of their d prospects ( morrow, Heimosalmi or nikishin)