The New American Politics thread

[driveway]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

He's the closest thing America has to a living, breathing version of the monocle-wearing guy on the Monopoly box. Hell, he's no doubt bought and sold property on the real streets in Atlantic City that are in Monopoly. He's not a regular person and never has been and doesn't have a clue about being one.

So far as I can tell, the only Monopoly street he's owned property on is Boardwalk, and he's owned at least three properties there: Trump Plaza, Trump Taj Mahal, and Trump Castle.

All of them have been bankrupt multiple times.

[Buster]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

That's been one of the weirder angles in this whole very weird thing. For what reason (other than his transparent bluster) do low-income and disadvantaged people like him?

He's the closest thing America has to a living, breathing version of the monocle-wearing guy on the Monopoly box. Hell, he's no doubt bought and sold property on the real streets in Atlantic City that are in Monopoly. He's not a regular person and never has been and doesn't have a clue about being one.

He's not "for" the little guy and never has been in his entire life. There's no reason for anyone to believe he is, but here we are.

You could say that about the poor and voting for Democrats, too.

Traditional progressive economic values are destructive to the ability for poor people to generate income.

[Buster]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...rt-now/499511/

I clicked that and started reading. As I went along, I realized I was reading something by a dishonest weirdo.

then I got to the bottom, and saw Coates was the auther, and it all made sense.

[nik-]

Oh, you thought it couldn't get weirder?

Wrong.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/...-an-explainer/

Yes, a presidential candidate has an article on her website about pepe the frog. 2016, the year the Mayans meant.

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by nik-

Oh, you thought it couldn't get weirder?

Wrong.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/...-an-explainer/

Yes, a presidential candidate has an article on her website about pepe the frog. 2016, the year the Mayans meant.

Wow, the articles on that site are written as if they're directed at morons. The state of U.S. politics makes me sad.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...rt-now/499511/

That is an interesting article and timely considering the discussion of the alt-right yesterday. There are some people here that believe the alt-right is some disorganized rag-tag band of ruffians whose playful message doesn't resonate. This is so far from the truth. The reality is that the alt-right is an outgrowth of some of the most hateful groups in America, is very well organized, and has established a following. The reach their audience using sophisticated means, some more overt than others. Breitbart is probably the most mainstream, but it is an extension of the rest of the movement. It is another wall in the echo chamber that a certain poster likes to speak of. The interests in the United States that track hate groups and domestic threats identify this movement as both. They are far from the innocent devil's advocates who express their first amendment rights. They are agents provocateur who wish to aid in burning the system down so the "true" leaders can reassert themselves into the seats of power, rising from the ashes of their destruction. If it sounds old fourth Reich stuff, it is. Or so law enforcement believes.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by nik-

Oh, you thought it couldn't get weirder?

Wrong.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/...-an-explainer/

Yes, a presidential candidate has an article on her website about pepe the frog. 2016, the year the Mayans meant.

Nothing quite shows how in touch you are with the issues than calling a 10 year old meme a symbol for white supremacy.

This is like Christmas for 4chan.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Nothing quite shows how in touch you are with the issues than calling a 10 year old meme a symbol for white supremacy.

This is like Christmas for 4chan.

You might want to read this:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ht-symbol.html

Interesting account of how the alt-right set out to turn pepe into their symbol.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Zarley

Wow, the articles on that site are written as if they're directed at morons. the average America voter. The state of U.S. politics makes me sad.

fyp. But how else can you explain how we have the two worst, most disliked candidates in American history other than the morons are simply the average American voter? America is pretty close to a lost cause.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You might want to read this:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ht-symbol.html

Interesting account of how the alt-right set out to turn pepe into their symbol.

I read that already as her website linked to it, it makes it even better.

That anonymous 19 year old white supremacist source said they want to take control of Pepe back from 'the normies'.

I guess trying to sneak an autism reference in there would have been too much, but this is a 4chan user straight up trolling.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

It's actually hilarious. We have a bunch of people thanking a post about Jon Haidt on the last page and then immediately succumbing to the kind of confirmation bias that is his central thesis in that book. He's right, people can't help it.

[Fuzz]

It is all so ridiculous it's tough to know what is real anymore.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It's actually hilarious. We have a bunch of people thanking a post about Jon Haidt on the last page and then immediately succumbing to the kind of confirmation bias that is his central thesis in that book. He's right, people can't help it.

Isn't this a case that there is an objectively right choice.

No one in this thread has ever made a case let alone a valid case that Trump would make a better president than Hillary.

If anyone can make a well laid out case to vote for Trump I am all ears and would love to have that discussion but I have tried and can't find it.

The best I can do is the Supreme Court argument where you want to force the legislative and executive branch to explicitly modify the constitution rather than reasonably interpret it. That's it. That is the only rational reason to vote for Trump.

The best case scenario for the Trump presidency is he is a puppet aka George bush.

I await for anyone to make a reasonable case. The group think this time is correct.

[Senator Clay Davis]

What's oddest is the case people make for Trump (like Buster did) is that he's "anti-establishment", but as we've all deducted that's not even close to true and if anything he's as establishment as it gets. I think for the most part the argument that you'll see the most for supporting Trump is that he's not Hillary. Or that he'll "fight for America", again ignoring the large amount of evidence that first and foremost he's going to fight for himself. He'll sell out his supporters to get what he really wants, everything is a negotiation as he likes to say. I do think hatred of Hillary is the biggest driver though.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GGG

Isn't this a case that there is an objectively right choice.

No one in this thread has ever made a case let alone a valid case that Trump would make a better president than Hillary.

If anyone can make a well laid out case to vote for Trump I am all ears and would love to have that discussion but I have tried and can't find it.

The best I can do is the Supreme Court argument where you want to force the legislative and executive branch to explicitly modify the constitution rather than reasonably interpret it. That's it. That is the only rational reason to vote for Trump.

The best case scenario for the Trump presidency is he is a puppet aka George bush.

I await for anyone to make a reasonable case. The group think this time is correct.

George W Bush may have been a puppet, but his reaction to 9/11 seems positively Ghandi esque next to Donald.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by driveway

So far as I can tell, the only Monopoly street he's owned property on is Boardwalk, and he's owned at least three properties there: Trump Plaza, Trump Taj Mahal, and Trump Castle.

All of them have been bankrupt multiple times.

Hopefully when the election is over and the full extent of his fraudulent charities is exposed, he doesn't pass GO before going directly to jail.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

George W Bush may have been a puppet, but his reaction to 9/11 seems positively Ghandi esque next to Donald.

Gear grinder: why do so many people misspell "Gandhi"?

On topic:
On twitter you will find a lot of the pepe frog avatar people with overt racist, sexist, homophobic garbage. That or the twitter egg logo. They use "####" as an insult. The pepe i grew up with "feels good man" is not quite the same pepe being used here.

WTF did I just type? Its 90% your fault, America, for making type like this.

[PsYcNeT]

The real victim in all this is the guy who created Pepe in the first place.

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/feels-good-man-728

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by New Era

That is an interesting article and timely considering the discussion of the alt-right yesterday. There are some people here that believe the alt-right is some disorganized rag-tag band of ruffians whose playful message doesn't resonate. This is so far from the truth. The reality is that the alt-right is an outgrowth of some of the most hateful groups in America, is very well organized, and has established a following. The reach their audience using sophisticated means, some more overt than others. Breitbart is probably the most mainstream, but it is an extension of the rest of the movement. It is another wall in the echo chamber that a certain poster likes to speak of. The interests in the United States that track hate groups and domestic threats identify this movement as both. They are far from the innocent devil's advocates who express their first amendment rights. They are agents provocateur who wish to aid in burning the system down so the "true" leaders can reassert themselves into the seats of power, rising from the ashes of their destruction. If it sounds old fourth Reich stuff, it is. Or so law enforcement believes.

I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong...but do you have source material to back any of these claims up? Specifically about which states have characterized the "alt-right" as such, and maybe some more about how they're organized.

[peter12]

Boo howdy good employment and income numbers out of the USofA today. This, more than anything, will do well for Hillary Clinton.