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Old 07-13-2022, 12:37 AM   #1141
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What would you have done to keep Giordano? Whom would you have lost in the expansion draft instead, and how much would you have paid the Kraken to make it happen? Please be specific.

Because the Flames did not lose Giordano for nothing. The assets they would have lost instead are what they have to show for letting him go. Every team lost a player.



Explain to me what indication you are talking about.



Don't forget Hamilton, Ferland, and Fox. It was incredibly stupid of him to let them all leave as UFAs instead of trading them for something useful.

I mean, we all know Treliving always lets his assets go for nothing, so who are you going to believe, the narrative or your lying eyes?
I wouldn’t have tried to keep Giordano. I would have traded him.

I would’ve tried to keep Brodie, but if he wasn’t extended by the deadline, I would’ve traded him.

Treliving actually did this once - he sent Glencross to Washington in Gaudreau’s rookie season. Got a ton of value back, we made the playoffs anyway and won a round.

He hasn’t sold high on anyone since the Hamilton trade. He has talked a big game about every notable player who’s come available, and closed none of them.

He has no vision for this team beyond the end of the week. He seems genuinely astonished when all these quality players leave for nothing. His emotions today are the same as when they couldn’t convince the Kraken to leave Gio alone.

This is a man who does not seem to prepare for the worst possible outcome.

He’s been here since 2014, and has convinced precisely one pending UFA impact player to extend - Backlund. A man, btw, who was drafted by the head coach, before he was fired and went off to win two Stanley Cups.

He’s employed five head coaches and hired four. Every one except Darryl has been a failure. Oh, plus Hartley, who won the Jack Adams and a playoff round with a bunch of children, Hudler, and without his Norris-favorite captain.

Goalies he has employed: Smith, Elliott, Markstrom, Rittich, Talbot, Johnson, Ramo, Hiller, Ortio.

His draft successes are… Tkachuk, who he lucked into because Benning and Chiarelli are even worse at their jobs than Try-Hard. They also don’t have them anymore - would that we should be so lucky.

Andersson and Kylington, both of whom were drafted during the Obama administration.

Mangiapane, like, great - it only took seven years for him to pop, and now we’re going to pay him a contract he can’t possibly live up to.

Mason McDonald over Demko.

####ed Bennett’s development, traded him for rocks. ####ed it from the start - remember when he couldn’t do a pull up at the combine? No red flags there, just come to development camp and take part in all the full contact drills OHMYGOD YOU NEED SHOULDER SURGERY?? Who could’ve seen this coming. No problem, just hurry back in time to play the 2015 Ducks. What’s that? Powerplay time? No, none of that for you, Sam. Now go play wing.

Trades a 1st round pick for Travis Hamonic a year after acquiring Dougie Hamilton for the pick that could’ve been Matt Barzal, Kyle Connor or Thomas Chabot.

This is not a man who deserves to be in charge of a National Hockey League team.

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Old 07-13-2022, 12:37 AM   #1142
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Good to know that our #1 prospect is also American in Coronato.

The Flames should start drafting more Canadians.
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Old 07-13-2022, 12:39 AM   #1143
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Good to know that our #1 prospect is also American in Coronato.

The Flames should start drafting more Canadians.
Also from New York. I’m really starting to get a bias against getting players from that area. Burned us so many times
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Old 07-13-2022, 12:44 AM   #1144
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This would be great news! The softest/smallest player in the NHL won't be that good past age 30. We can now sign all of our other free agents including Chucky. This is the best possi ble scenario for the team.
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Old 07-13-2022, 12:52 AM   #1145
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Treliving looks pissed that he lost the Negotiation. He also looks like he was told one thing and got another.
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Old 07-13-2022, 12:58 AM   #1146
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Treliving looks pissed that he lost the Negotiation. He also looks like he was told one thing and got another.

Probably thought he had a deal done and got blindsided


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Old 07-13-2022, 12:59 AM   #1147
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This would be great news! The softest/smallest player in the NHL won't be that good past age 30. We can now sign all of our other free agents including Chucky. This is the best possi ble scenario for the team.
johnny was on another level this year. he still has lots of good hockey left.
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:02 AM   #1148
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This would be great news! The softest/smallest player in the NHL won't be that good past age 30. We can now sign all of our other free agents including Chucky. This is the best possi ble scenario for the team.
The softest player in the league has missed 2 games in the last five years, and never sustained a significant injury.

I don’t even think he’s taken a direct hit since Datsyuk retired.
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:02 AM   #1149
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Probably thought he had a deal done and got blindsided


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Makes sense.
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:06 AM   #1150
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More or less that this was years in the making and that the Flames did not do a good job protecting the team.

That this team needs to be more realistic about who wants to be here and who doesn't and more or less be pretty clear - if you want to be here, sign a contract in advance. If you don't? Be honest with the fans, and trade the player because they have to manage the asset.

Protect the Calgary Flames above all else.
Team had the second deepest run since 1989. They did protect the team. UFAs leave.

And anyone insulting Johnny personally, Jesus Christ, get a hold of yourself, the man made a decision he earned the right to make. You’re adults FFS.
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Lol!

Gaudreau is a damn good player but higher IQ than McDavid? He isn’t anywhere near that.
He's nowhere near anything regarding McD, the playoffs proved that loud & clear.
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He's nowhere near anything regarding McD, the playoffs proved that loud & clear.
Then I guess McDavid is nowhere near anything regarding McKinnon or Makar, or, I suppose, anyone on the Avalanche?

TIL that you can tell a hockey player's IQ by how deep his team goes in the playoffs. Apparently hockey IQ changes drastically from year to year, and half the players (the ones whose teams miss the playoffs) have no IQ at all.

Another one of those things I could only have learned from the Internet, because there was no possibility of working it out for myself.
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:16 AM   #1153
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Then I guess McDavid is nowhere near anything regarding McKinnon or Makar, or, I suppose, anyone on the Avalanche?

TIL that you can tell a hockey player's IQ by how deep his team goes in the playoffs. Apparently hockey IQ changes drastically from year to year, and half the players (the ones whose teams miss the playoffs) have no IQ at all.

Another one of those things I could only have learned from the Internet, because there was no possibility of working it out for myself.
McDavid led the playoffs in scoring and he only played 16 games,

It’s him and everyone else. Thank Christ this isn’t basketball.
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Probably thought he had a deal done and got blindsided


https://twitter.com/user/status/1547105748328386561
To me, it kinds of hints at the possibility that Lewis took the offer to another team to see if the could match a similar total dollar amount on a 7 year deal. I guess we will see what he signs for tomorrow.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a little birdy in JG's ear while Treliving was trying to get a deal done.
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I wouldn't be surprised if there were backroom negotiations happening with another team out there. I mean the whole tampering thing means nothing.


If Gaudreau's agent played the Flames as a stalking horse to the very last minute and then pulled the rug out, its disappointing, but its just hockey.
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:21 AM   #1156
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McDavid led the playoffs in scoring and he only played 16 games,
That doesn't prove anything about his hockey IQ, which was the question being discussed.
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Why don't you calm down skippy. Nice of you to be invisible for years and to come back on a day full blasting where we lose our franchise player. But yes McDavid has the speed but Gaudreau has the higher hockey IQ. Hence why one guy has had 2 season ending injuries and the guy has none.
?? I posted throughout the playoffs including minutes after we were swept congratulating the Avs.

I posted consistently on this forum when we missed the playoffs for a decade straight and Calgary made the playoffs, so please don’t tell me I only post on certain days.
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That doesn't prove anything about his hockey IQ, which was the question being discussed.
Yes, it does.

It’s impossible to score 33 points in 16 NHL playoff games without elite hockey IQ.
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:29 AM   #1159
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?? I posted throughout the playoffs including minutes after we were swept congratulating the Avs.

I posted consistently on this forum when we missed the playoffs for a decade straight and Calgary made the playoffs, so please don’t tell me I only post on certain days.
You should gloat. You shouldn’t be proud of how the Oilers got McDavid, or their failure to build and he and Draisaitl, but going off the last 90 days?

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Old 07-13-2022, 01:31 AM   #1160
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Yes, it does.

It’s impossible to score 33 points in 16 NHL playoff games without elite hockey IQ.
What about 22 points in 21 playoff games, which is what McDavid has for the rest of his career combined? Did he suddenly get a brain transplant this year, or did he just happen to get most of his points against an opponent that massively crapped the bed? I'm afraid we know the answer to that.
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