Trump's first comments (I think) on Hillary's collapse yesterday.
Seems pretty "presidential" to me. Certainly by Trump's standards. Pretty savvy tone to take.
Edit: I don't know how to embed twitter videos, or if you can.
The bolded is exactly what being graded on a curve is all about. Trump spoke a decent sentence, nothing inflammatory or out of line. And it's considered a "pretty savvy tone to take"? I got LOLz here for days.
This should have been a baseline for a political aspirant. It is something that should be considered automatic. But considering Trump's bluster in the months prior, this is considered "savvy".
All I can do is shake my head.
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The bolded is exactly what being graded on a curve is all about. Trump spoke a decent sentence, nothing inflammatory or out of line. And it's considered a "pretty savvy tone to take"? I got LOLz here for days.
This should have been a baseline for a political aspirant. It is something that should be considered automatic. But considering Trump's bluster in the months prior, this is considered "savvy".
All I can do is shake my head.
Yeah, really. Is the standard for being "presidential" simply not to be a smarmy smart ass at every opportunity? Besides, I am sure that tweet went through the party filters carefully before being released. Right now, all they have to do is keep the media on Clinton to maximize the political fall out.
Clinton should just use the same doctor that Dear Leader used.
Like it or not Trump is being curve graded from here on out. Of course it's not fair and actually kinda dangerous, but just like his political doppleganger W, Trump is being handled with kid gloves now. The immigration thing pretty much shows that, at best you can say he's got no position and at worst he has no plan for the position he holds, but the media basically went straight to "pivot" rather than "WTF?", because Trump isn't being analyzed as a normal candidate. He's being analyzed as a reality TV candidate.
Speaking of immigration, it seems people actually have a bigger problem with Trump's immigration explanation than Hillary's handling of e-mails. The Hillary camp would be smart to keep pressing on this issue.
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I thought it was a bit strange how Clinton's team handled the media yesterday. After she was loaded up and hauled away, it took them a long time to announce "heat stoke" followed by the staged photo op where she busts out looking way too chipper and says "what a beautiful day in NY" (who says that and acts like that after suffering heat stroke?) and then hugs the little girl (what was the point of this?).
Much later they say she has pneumonia and was diagnosed on Friday. Why not just be upfront about that? By playing it out as they did, they only fueled the speculation, imo.
I do find it ironic that the set who is so quick to attack the regressive left is now making excuses for the alt right. Frankly, the alt right need to called out. They need to be marginalized. They need to be treated like the cancer they are and dealt with as quickly as possible, so we don't see the disease spread and kill the patient in a very painful way. The garbage they espouse is not acceptable in an advanced society. Extremism on either end of the spectrum needs to be marginalized, not embraced. Sympathizing with the extremes does not help forward our society as a whole. If we're demanding Muslims eliminate the extremists from their society shouldn't we be doing the same with ours?
Like it or not Trump is being curve graded from here on out... Trump isn't being analyzed as a normal candidate. He's being analyzed as a reality TV candidate.
This isn't just from here on out; it's been the case all along. It's basically the only reason he got the nomination to begin with. Half the other GOP candidates were complaining that if they said anything like the stuff he did their careers would be over, not just their campaigns.
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I'm still uncomfortable with the fact that New Era has claimed to be a college instructor because I've never really seen a case of more aggressive, and ignorant rhetoric on this board.
Not to insult the poster's intelligence, because he clearly knows what he is doing.
To lay this out, so the Clinton tribe can understand, and never misrepresent my views ever again.
Trump is awful. End of story. He will destroy the Republican Party. It's over. That party is going to have to completely rebuild everything - including a great deal of the intellectual capital behind the very notion of the Party.
Clinton is almost as awful because she is clearly just slightly more than a paper candidate, but people, for the sake of being anti-Trump, have set her up on a pedestal that is totally undeserving.
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Much later they say she has pneumonia and was diagnosed on Friday. Why not just be upfront about that? By playing it out as they did, they only fueled the speculation, imo.
They wouldn't say anything because they hoped she wouldn't slump over on her feet and have to be picked up off the ground and tossed into a van. Why announce she has pneumonia if no one can externally see that to be the case? Just pray she can keep her head up and hope the the "Ill-ary" story disappears.
The last week was probably the worst one to date for Hillarys campaign. Her poll numbers should be taking a dive this week, which they can hardly afford.
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How would a non-moderated debate even work? Just lots of yelling at each other?
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It would be just Trump bullying, filibustering and talking over top of her. So, basically, the same as every other debate Trump has taken part in so far.
The one thing I want out of the debates, above all else, is for the moderator to cut off the mic of anyone who attempts to talk when it's the other person's time to speak.
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This isn't just from here on out; it's been the case all along. It's basically the only reason he got the nomination to begin with. Half the other GOP candidates were complaining that if they said anything like the stuff he did their careers would be over, not just their campaigns.
I think you're confusing grading the GOP primary on a curve with Trump being graded on a curve. Remember in 2012 when audience members in debates were cheering executions and bombings? That would be abhorrent in a general, but totally cool in the GOP nomination process. Trump was graded appropriately in that mess. It's really only been since the post-convention polls showed a blowout that they've reeeally started grading on a curve. I wonder why that is.
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The alt right is already a marginalized group, they're fringe. They aren't a cancer. They're obnoxious, sure, but this hyperbolic rhetoric is exactly the problem. I'd rather they be able to be obnoxious in their own little corner of the world as they have been, doing no one any real harm, than to have people like you declare yourself the arbiter of what political groups should be eliminated from the discussion. If they're wrong, they're wrong; rebut their arguments to the extent they even have any.
You have this tendency to try so hard to make yourself look fair and impartial in some of these left/right debates that you hold the parties involved to 2 separate standards.
How on earth can you argue the alt right is a fringe group that we should just ignore? That's completely untrue. If the presidential candidate from a major party is retweeting them and espousing at least some of their beliefs I'd argue that the alt right is becoming mainstream. We seem the alt right policies gaining popularity in Europe, so I think your argue fails completely.
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The alt right doesn't even silence anyone, much less murder them for their beliefs or sexual orientation. I don't even think that Islamist groups should be banned or whatever, just recognized for what they are and loudly and soundly rejected. If that's all you're calling for, a loud denunciation of what the alt-right actually believes, then fine, but that's not what you seem to be suggesting here.
What are you talking about? Have you forgotten the veiled (and not so veiled) threats leveled at Clinton leading up to and even at the Republican convention?
You and Peter12 seem to believe you are the moral authorities here, and the rest of us are either foolish or uninformed. You rarely miss an opportunity to make that position clear to the other posters in this thread which is why you rub so many posters the wrong way.
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I think you're confusing grading the GOP primary on a curve with Trump being graded on a curve.
No, I'm not... it was during the primaries that Trump said he could shoot a guy on fifth avenue and not lose any votes, and the media played along with it all. There was a reason for that; it was true. Rubio's frustration here was palpable.
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You and Peter12 seem to believe you are the moral authorities here, and the rest of us are either foolish or uninformed. You rarely miss an opportunity to make that position clear to the other posters in this thread which is why you rub so many posters the wrong way.
There is a fair amount of abuse directed my way for stating opinions that are respectable in any forum. The amount of group-think in this thread is pretty obvious.
I'm still uncomfortable with the fact that New Era has claimed to be a college instructor because I've never really seen a case of more aggressive, and ignorant rhetoric on this board.
Not to insult the poster's intelligence, because he clearly knows what he is doing.
To lay this out, so the Clinton tribe can understand, and never misrepresent my views ever again.
Trump is awful. End of story. He will destroy the Republican Party. It's over. That party is going to have to completely rebuild everything - including a great deal of the intellectual capital behind the very notion of the Party.
Clinton is almost as awful because she is clearly just slightly more than a paper candidate, but people, for the sake of being anti-Trump, have set her up on a pedestal that is totally undeserving.
I don't know... I don't see many people putting Clinton on a pedestal. For my money she is "just ok." She is a status quo candidate, and is significantly more conservative and hawkish than Obama (which will surprise some democrats if and when she takes office). I don't think she is "crooked" or "a liar" any more than any other politician (am I grading on a curve too? Maybe...) but she is going to continue the economic and domestic policies of Obama for the most part, and will at least avoid nominating a right-wing activist Supreme Court that wants to undo the last 50 years of jurisprudence.
Trump, on the other hand, is such a disaster that the best case scenario for the GOP is that he loses. They already have big problems, but if he loses the intellectual right has a chance to wrest back control of their party and remain the party of business-minded small-government conservatives. If he wins, they are that will be an extinction-level event for that movement in the US.
That, and not some elevation of Hillary, is why I think the choice in this election is so clear. And I'm not even sure you and I disagree on this.
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No, I'm not... it was during the primaries that Trump said he could shoot a guy on fifth avenue and not lose any votes, and the media played along with it all. There was a reason for that; it was true. Rubio's frustration here was palpable.
So why is it the media's fault this is true? It is true, we all know it. Trump supporters are historically in the tank for him, right at the Koresh levels of cult following. Most of them should have bailed or developed serious doubts with the immigration mess he made, yet almost all of them went along with it and thought it was a great political move. The media didn't normalize that, they were deep into cult mode long ago.
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