2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

has a team ever traded 5 players in season or deadline? I'd bet that hope/expectation is not realistic

Especially for a team that values 2 first round home games over winning the Cup.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If Sharangovich is a 20 goal 20 assist 40 point player (his pace this year) he's not filler. That's silly.

I get your overall point ... don't aim for middling assets, but moving one year of Toffoli for a guy that posts 0.5 PPG and plays in your middle six and kills penalties while adding a third round pick that looks to be interesting isn't trading for filler.

No kidding

The Flames highest pick in franchise history has a career high of 49 points but all our late firsts will be better than "filler" guys

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Especially for a team that values 2 first round home games over winning the Cup.

This is just such a ridiculous statement

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

has a team ever traded 5 players in season or deadline? I'd bet that hope/expectation is not realistic

Beliieve St. Louis traded 4 players last year. Why is 5 all that outlandish? I would imagine talks have started on these players.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Beliieve St. Louis traded 4 players last year. Why is 5 all that outlandish? I would imagine talks have started on these players.

It would be logical to set a date to start making trades ... say January 8th (two months) with a schedule of moving 1 player by x, 2 players by x etc.

And also some ledges where you reduce your expectations.

Not that hard, and something they have to be thinking of.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If Sharangovich is a 20 goal 20 assist 40 point player (his pace this year) he's not filler. That's silly.

I get your overall point ... don't aim for middling assets, but moving one year of Toffoli for a guy that posts 0.5 PPG and plays in your middle six and kills penalties while adding a third round pick that looks to be interesting isn't trading for filler.

He's a filler players in my eyes because he likely has a stint here and is gone before we're even competitive. So to me it makes almost no difference if he's there getting 40 pts or some guy from the wranglers is in his spot getting 30 pts.

But as I've said I'm not even worried about that trade its over. Don't go spend our upcoming UFAs in similar trades. Look for quality of assets over quantity and try to focus on assets that can be here for the long term. You hit on a guy like Rasmus with a 2nd rounder and that is massive value.

The Flames best chance at turning things around quickly would be to bottom out the next few seasons s and land their next core and supplement that core with players they pick or draft through their UFAs and current prospects.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

This is just such a ridiculous statement

It is based on what we have seen from how the team operates and reports from people in the media that have decent knowledge into the team.

If it bothers you take it up with the ownership and how they run the team.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hackey

He's a filler players in my eyes because he likely has a stint here and is gone before we're even competitive. So to me it makes almost no difference if he's there getting 40 pts or some guy from the wranglers is in his spot getting 30 pts.

But as I've said I'm not even worried about that trade its over. Don't go spend our upcoming UFAs in similar trades. Look for quality of assets over quantity and try to focus on assets that can be here for the long term. You hit on a guy like Rasmus with a 2nd rounder and that is massive value.

The Flames best chance at turning things around quickly would be to bottom out the next few seasons s and land their next core and supplement that core with players they pick or draft through their UFAs and current prospects.

He's Flames property for now and next season, and likely to sign if both sides are looking to continue the relationship.

If he puts up 40 points both seasons and the Flames are out of the playoff mix they likely move him for a 2nd if they don't think they're going to sign him.

His value doesn't become zero or filler until it's zero.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Spurs

It is based on what we have seen from how the team operates and reports from people in the media that have decent knowledge into the team.

If it bothers you take it up with the ownership and how they run the team.

What I've seen falls more into the belief set that anything can happen if you get in more than "we're just aiming for two playoff dates!" as you summarize.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bingo

What I've seen falls more into the belief set that anything can happen if you get in more than "we're just aiming for two playoff dates!" as you summarize.

I think they are scared of losing the revenue from those games even if it might give them a better chance to win the Cup. To them getting the play-off revenue and making money is a successful enough season even if it means not getting close to competing for the Cup.

I assume they would love to get more play-off games but not at the expense of missing out on play-offs for a few years.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I think they are scared of losing the revenue from those games even if it might give them a better chance to win the Cup. To them getting the play-off revenue and making money is a successful enough season even if it means not getting close to competing for the Cup.

I assume they would love to get more play-off games but not at the expense of missing out on play-offs for a few years.

Yes, I am sure a businessman like Edwards would much rather get the odd couple of home playoff dates every few years than missing a few years intentionally to have a long substantial run in the playoffs. Like most things you post, that is ridiculous.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I think they are scared of losing the revenue from those games even if it might give them a better chance to win the Cup. To them getting the play-off revenue and making money is a successful enough season even if it means not getting close to competing for the Cup.

I assume they would love to get more play-off games but not at the expense of missing out on play-offs for a few years.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yes, I am sure a businessman like Edwards would much rather get the odd couple of home playoff dates every few years than missing a few years intentionally to have a long substantial run in the playoffs. Like most things you post, that is ridiculous.

The way the team has operated backs me up 100%

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I think they are scared of losing the revenue from those games even if it might give them a better chance to win the Cup. To them getting the play-off revenue and making money is a successful enough season even if it means not getting close to competing for the Cup.

I assume they would love to get more play-off games but not at the expense of missing out on play-offs for a few years.

I'd give your theory about 5% of a chance.

You're making a lot of assumptions about what other individuals think with no actual knowledge.

But we do have reports and comments (from Conroy himself lately) that if you get in anything can happen.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Spurs

The way the team has operated backs me up 100%

No it doesn't.

And even if you're right nothing would back you up 100%.

The way they operate would also back up the notion that you only have to get in and anything can happen.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'd give your theory about 5% of a chance.

You're making a lot of assumptions about what other individuals think with no actual knowledge.

But we do have reports and comments (from Conroy himself lately) that if you get in anything can happen.

I think the hockey people, not Edwards, are definitely more on the anything can happen once you get in side. I dont think they care about play-off home games that comes from above them.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I think the hockey people, not Edwards, are definitely more on the anything can happen once you get in side. I dont think they care about play-off home games that comes from above them.

How wrong do you have to be before you just give up on one of these? Has it ever happened?

You seem like the guy that would argue against gravity just to drag some dreariness into someone's day.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bingo

How wrong do you have to be before you just give up on one of these? Has it ever happened?

You seem like the guy that would argue against gravity just to drag some dreariness into someone's day.

I would have to be wrong, so far it hasn't happened with this in any way.

Why would I argue against gravity that makes no sense? What is the point in you constantly making up these false/hypothetical scenarios that are unrelated? Why not just discuss what is posted?

[Groot]

Of course Murray Edwards (worth $2.7 billion and Chairman of a company that nets over $10 billion annually, who's currently paying Sutter $4 million per year to sit on his ranch) cares more about the $3 - $6 million that 2 home playoff games generate in revenue (not profit) than he does winning a Cup.

When your business sense is even worse than your hockey sense, or you're a troll, then that seems 100% backed up I guess.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Groot

Of course Murray Edwards (worth $2.7 billion and Chairman of a company that nets over $10 billion annually, who's currently paying Sutter $4 million per year to sit on his ranch) cares more about the $3 - $6 million that 2 home playoff games generate in revenue (not profit) than he does winning a Cup.

When your business sense is even worse than your hockey sense, or you're a troll, then that seems 100% backed up I guess.

Its not my business sense it is the Flames business sense. And we have seen many times that Billionaires don't like losing money even when it doesn't make a difference in their lives at all.

If you think that Edwards is fine if Flames continuously lose money you haven't paid attention to him or how he runs his businesses.