2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dammage79]

Maybe perhaps with everythingnoff the board 5 days before the TDL, other teams have time to work on hockey deals. Might not be all whizz bangs and pop UFA trades coming fast and heavy in the final hour, but could be a nice steady mini tsunami of teams setting up for next year. At least I hope.

[Pipty]

Should sell high on Toffoli, someone might even want Lucic for a playoff run. We should be managed like the blues.

[dammage79]

I still can't shake the feeling that Treliving is reeling in Chychrun.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The wait for summer is based on the premise that they aren’t trading core guys for futures because they aren’t rebuilding
So changes are more than likely player for player trades
And those deals happen in the off season
Unless you think that something will change in the next 10 days where all of a sudden the organization decides to rebuild
I don’t see it.

Why would they not trade “core” (nebulous, undefined term- who is even a core player here?) players? Not one Calgary Flame player should be untouchable or somehow believed that this team needs to build around them. The Flames have a bunch of decent secondary pieces and no stars. The star players didn’t turn out to be stars. So, those secondary pieces should be leveraged as much as possible. Further, the players that were thought to be stars should also be jettisoned for futures if possible (and consideration of some, minimal, salary retention on bad contracts to make the deals work).

Lindholm is the type of player that can get you great future assets. This team didn’t get it done, won’t get it done, and there’s no point in waiting to summer because your return will decrease.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Why would they not trade “core” (nebulous, undefined term- who is even a core player here?) players? Not one Calgary Flame player should be untouchable or somehow believed that this team needs to build around them. The Flames have a bunch of decent secondary pieces and no stars. The star players didn’t turn out to be stars. So, those secondary pieces should be leveraged as much as possible. Further, the players that were thought to be stars should also be jettisoned for futures if possible (and consideration of some, minimal, salary retention on bad contracts to make the deals work).

Lindholm is the type of player that can get you great future assets. This team didn’t get it done, won’t get it done, and there’s no point in waiting to summer because your return will decrease.

Because jiri is saying that they will be making player for player trades in the summer for some of their players. Nothing this organization does points to a direction where they will want late first round picks. It’s not like teams have been trading blue chip prospects in deals so far.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Why would they not trade “core” (nebulous, undefined term- who is even a core player here?) players? Not one Calgary Flame player should be untouchable or somehow believed that this team needs to build around them. The Flames have a bunch of decent secondary pieces and no stars. The star players didn’t turn out to be stars. So, those secondary pieces should be leveraged as much as possible. Further, the players that were thought to be stars should also be jettisoned for futures if possible (and consideration of some, minimal, salary retention on bad contracts to make the deals work).

Lindholm is the type of player that can get you great future assets. This team didn’t get it done, won’t get it done, and there’s no point in waiting to summer because your return will decrease.

Could have sworn this post was from two years ago.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Why would they not trade “core” (nebulous, undefined term- who is even a core player here?) players? Not one Calgary Flame player should be untouchable or somehow believed that this team needs to build around them. The Flames have a bunch of decent secondary pieces and no stars. The star players didn’t turn out to be stars. So, those secondary pieces should be leveraged as much as possible. Further, the players that were thought to be stars should also be jettisoned for futures if possible (and consideration of some, minimal, salary retention on bad contracts to make the deals work).

Lindholm is the type of player that can get you great future assets. This team didn’t get it done, won’t get it done, and there’s no point in waiting to summer because your return will decrease.

1. My premise is this organization has no interest in re-building for the future. Do you disagree? What evidence is there that they are changing from a win now approach to a re-build?
2. If you were re-building then you should explore moving these guys at the deadline. But since they aren't re-building they won't.
3. If they are going to move players, its going to be to change the make-up of the team, but in an effort to still win now. Those type of player for player deals happen in the summer.
4. Even if they were moving for futures, I don't know that you get more at the deadline. The deadline has a restricted market based on who views themselves a competitor, who has the draft/prospect capital and the willingness to move them, and who has the cap space to take on the players. All of this means far fewer teams would be available as a trading partner for a great player like Lindholm. Several teams have already made their big move. Others are likely targeting in on others (NYR for Kane, NJ for Meier), so the target team list shrinks further.

Which of the above do you disagree with?

[kukkudo]

Can just imagine flames miss the playoffs, Treliving leaves and Sutter takes over as GM and president. Muller gets promoted to HC and the same old flames continue on.

If that happens not sure how some Flames fans can continue supporting this team.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Can just imagine flames miss the playoffs, Treliving leaves and Sutter takes over as GM and president. Muller gets promoted to HC and the same old flames continue on.

If that happens not sure how some Flames fans can continue supporting this team.

Year in, year out it gets more difficult for sure. I don't live there, I don't visit anymore, haven't seen the team in person at the Dome in 5 years. They seem to do enough or generate that off season excitement enough to pull a person back but this 1 year good 1 year bad just kills the interest more and more. It's depressing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Can just imagine flames miss the playoffs, Treliving leaves and Sutter takes over as GM and president. Muller gets promoted to HC and the same old flames continue on.

If that happens not sure how some Flames fans can continue supporting this team.

It would be hard and would probably be the last straw for me.

Not only is he a terrible gm he brought in some scummy players with complete disregard and had zero idea about team building.

[CFO]

On the current NHL roster - I don't think I would consider any player core or 100% to build around. I think every player should be on the table. To me there is no current core.

[dirk diggler]

the flames are such a bad organization, you havent renewed your GM at this point, if you arent going to, why would you want him to work the trade deadline. If you do want him, get the deal done and everyone get on the same page for the trade deadline and PLEASE do not give up even 1 draft pick. Yes the Blues were garbage and won the cup that year, we may never see that again.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by CFO

On the current NHL roster - I don't think I would consider any player core or 100% to build around. I think every player should be on the table. To me there is no current core.

Weegar’s been solid but not young enough to consider untouchable. I think most who are logical would agree with you. This team got old super fast this offseason.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by CFO

On the current NHL roster - I don't think I would consider any player core or 100% to build around. I think every player should be on the table. To me there is no current core.

Pelletier looks like a keeper

[ah123]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Weegar’s been solid but not young enough to consider untouchable. I think most who are logical would agree with you. This team got old super fast this offseason.

I wonder if the Flames signed Weegar to that deal anticipating that they would lose Hanifin. Seeing at the contracts defenseman are getting, his next deal could start with an 8. I would not be adverse to trading Hanifin for a package of blue chip prospect(s)+ picks

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by ah123

I wonder if the Flames signed Weegar to that deal anticipating that they would lose Hanifin. Seeing at the contracts defenseman are getting, his next deal could start with an 8. I would not be adverse to trading Hanifin for a package of blue chip prospect(s)+ picks

Who wouldn’t? I’m not sure you’d get that much but if a first and a mid prospect are part of the package it’s hard to say no

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I still can't shake the feeling that Treliving is reeling in Chychrun.

that scares me, the last time he traded for an "impact" d man was Hamonic. that was awful, we gave up so much for a guy who was no better than a 4th or 5th d man.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Okay, sure.

If there’s something out there that the Flames can’t say no to, why would they?

In any event it’s moot because none of us on this forum know what conversations/offers are out there.

I’m sure the Flames are well aware of where they are at, a 12 year old knows that. You assume to know what the ‘right’ moves are but without knowing any specifics, how can you be so sure?

Does Lindholm to a contender for package similar to ROR make sense, and what team is offering that? (As an example)

Back to Carolina?

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by CFO

On the current NHL roster - I don't think I would consider any player core or 100% to build around. I think every player should be on the table. To me there is no current core.

This is the problem with our team. Our core is by default, the new contract guys. You have to build around those guys (Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar).

[CFO]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

This is the problem with our team. Our core is by default, the new contract guys. You have to build around those guys (Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar).

Kinda, sorta.

If flames focus on drafting - by time quality guys are picked and elcs done - the old guys are on last few years of their deals and manageable.

What the flames cannot afford to do during a true quality core rebuild is sign line line players to 4-5 million a year.