[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him.

[Erick Estrada]

If I am Benning I would consider Horvat for Druin. Horvat isn't going to be a 1st line center, is having a pretty miserable season and you kind of wonder at times if he's going to turn out to be a good 3rd line center at best. However he is playing in the NHL and he plays a more important position but that organization really lacks a pure skill player like Druin and look to be just mediocre enough that they won't get a crack at the top 5 in the upcoming draft.

[automaton 3]

I have no doubt that Yzerman is asking for such players. If someone was willing to trade along those lines, you'd think the deal would have already been made.

I wonder what Yzerman would need to add to Drouin to make the Flames tempted to let Bennett go?

[Poe969]

Colborne is an RFA big body center Tampa could use to offset the smaller size of some of their forwards. His next contract isn't going to be that big either!

Droin for Colborne+4th but it would have to happen now because Drouin's value is dropping...

White text is so much cooler than green text

[Lanny_McDonald]

Yzerman is on crack. With that thinking Chiarelli can expect a 1st overall for Nail Yakupov too. Sorry Stevie, but your player is worth only the level he is playing to, and in Drouin's situation that is a guy drafted a while ago who has not achieved expectations or a player with similar deminished expectations. Realistically I think that would be Poirier (same draft class) and Wotherspoon, along with a mid round pick for overkill. There is no way Yzerman gets a top end talent for Drouin. Just doesn't make any sense. A guy like Kirby Rychel is the best I could see being offered up.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

I have no doubt that Yzerman is asking for such players. If someone was willing to trade along those lines, you'd think the deal would have already been made.

I wonder what Yzerman would need to add to Drouin to make the Flames tempted to let Bennett go?

I think Bennett is nearly untouchable for Calgary. Francis on the FAN earlier this season cited a conversation he had with a few people in the Flames management. They all believed that Bennett would wind up the best of their young trio of forwards. The grit, speed, and skill is hard to match so I don't see any way a Bennett-Drouin swap happens.


I read on the score that the Wild are contemplating Dumba but would rather get help up the middle than on the wing. I wonder if a 3 way trade could be worked out? Not sure which centre the Wild would want thst sre not Monahan or Bennett so unlikely

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

"Please give me your best young player who is currently playing a full time role in exchange for my problem child who was a high draft pick"

Yeah, if Stevie Y is asking for this then I wish him good luck. He's gonna need it. Or who knows, maybe if gets one of the GMs drunk enough while pushing the "3rd overall" point, they'll make a trade for the sake of making a trade.

Drouin does not have the value that he thinks he does.

[CliffFletcher]

I'm curious why people think Drouin's career has gone disastrously off-track to the extent that he's nowhere near the value of other top-6 overall picks.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

It's safe to say Yzerman thinks there are teams out there who believe Drouin will likely reach the potential that made him a 3rd overall pick in a strong draft. It's not as though Drouin is 24, or has suffered a serious injury. If the draft were held again today he would still go top 6. So why wouldn't Yzerman expect a prospect of the same calibre coming back?

Nothing wrong with Yzerman looking for that.

But look at it from the perspective of other GMs... if I have a young player with a similar level of draft-expectations, what motivation do I have to trade that player (likely the top prospect/young star in my organization) for another, similar player who has some baggage and coach-relationship issues?

There is ZERO reason for any GM to trade their young star. ZERO. The only reason to do it is if the opportunity to trade UP presents itself.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I'm curious why people think Drouin's career has gone disastrously off-track to the extent that he's nowhere near the value of other top-6 overall picks.

It has more to do with the fact at 20 he has publically requested a trade because he is not a star like the others in his draft class.

Why trade a content drafted prospect of similar caliber who is happy in your organization for a prospect that wants out of another because he is not a top 6 forward

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I'm going to assume you're just trolling and not really that clueless.

Was just pointing it out as I looked them all up after reading the thread. I wouldn't trade bennett for drouin either.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There is ZERO reason for any GM to trade their young star. ZERO. The only reason to do it is if the opportunity to trade UP presents itself.

Jarmo Kekäläinen and David Poile say hi.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Jarmo Kekäläinen and David Poile say hi.

Good for them

Johansen is a 23 year old proven top line centre that is 6,3 220. Also scored 70+pts in the league. I assume that is who you are comparing to Drouin who has scored 30pts in 90 games or whatever the stats are and is currently in the AHL

[CliffFletcher]

I'm not comparing Drouin to Johansen. I'm pointing out the recent trade of two potentially elite young stars for each other - something Enoch Root said never happens.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think Bennett is nearly untouchable for Calgary. Francis on the FAN earlier this season cited a conversation he had with a few people in the Flames management. They all believed that Bennett would wind up the best of their young trio of forwards. The grit, speed, and skill is hard to match so I don't see any way a Bennett-Drouin swap happens.


I read on the score that the Wild are contemplating Dumba but would rather get help up the middle than on the wing. I wonder if a 3 way trade could be worked out? Not sure which centre the Wild would want thst sre not Monahan or Bennett so unlikely

At this point I doubt he becomes better than Gaudreau but your point still stands. No way we part with Bennett.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by polak

At this point I doubt he becomes better than Gaudreau but your point still stands. No way we part with Bennett.

Agreed. That was the context where Francis brought it up. He and Kerr were talking about just how good Johnny is and how likely it was the perception of management would have changed since that conversation

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I'm not comparing Drouin to Johansen. I'm pointing out the recent trade of two potentially elite young stars for each other - something Enoch Root said never happens.

That is not what I said.

[Enoch Root]

With respect to the Johansen trade, Nashville gave up futures for a current need - one of the most common trades in the NHL for teams that believe their window is now.

Johansen is a proven #1 C who is just entering his prime - probably the most valued commodity in the league.

But even still, Columbus was very fortunate that Nashville just happened to be not only desperate for just such a player, but also held an abundance of defensemen, making it much easier to give up a piece like Jones than most teams would would find it.

Completely different than Yzerman hoping another GM would give up an equal 20 year old budding star for his 20 year old, slightly tarnished, budding star.

Again, no reason for another GM to do that.

Nashville gave up their budding young star for the one, win-now piece that they were missing.

[Enoch Root]

dp

[djsFlames]

Isn't Tampa's window now, seeing as they were in the finals last year?

What is Yzerman doing to address his team's "now" needs? Dealing Drouin is how you can address that. But if he wants a young player of equal potential, but already playing in the league and without issues or baggage, then it's not going to happen.

[dammage79]

The Dumba angle is almost perfect for both teams. I would like the Flames to target other young players available. As much as Drouin is a nice idea, there's better fits out there for Calgary.