CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think that low posters is a bad strategy in this game because it is likely that both mafia groups had a person who played or followed the game last time and saw that not blending in by posting enough caused them to be outed. So no one who played last time who is in the mafia would let their team not post.

Transplant99 seems to be the lowest poster now but really he appears like uninterested / busy townie and not hiding mafia. Even if he is hiding mafia killing him gains us no new info. If we run out of good suspects we can always kill him.

Is active stick a low poster now by definiton? If so I might be on board wiht that one since it gives us new info.

The one low poster I am suspicious of though is Baxter Renegade. Mainly because he changed is style and got more involved by being called out. But even that isn't a great argument now that we have had a card flip.

Day one low poster fine that makes sense, Day 2 with no new info, sure, Day 3 when we have finally got some real info to look at? It definately no longer makes sense. So in my opinion you are promoting bad strategy and therefore go on my list as bad town / pro mafia.

Activestick is still the 5th least active poster, and that is after coming hard and fast today.

If Strombad is right, then we win.
If Strombad is wrong, and killed, we get rid of a townie that can't see the forest for the tree.

Those are my thoughts on the Activestick Lynch, and they is why my vote remains.

[CaptainCrunch]

So ok

Lego man

I'm still hooked up on your misdirection from yesterday.

Then I'm watching you today throwing names out there like you are.

It just seems like your trying to rally against people that either are just suspicions of yours or choices with little merit or pattern.

I'm still convinced that you are mob, and need to be shaken a bit.

Because either your mafia, or your guessing a lot, and at this point with the drain we've had on villagers to me your too dangerous and too much of a loose cannon to be left alive.

You haven't earned my trust.

vote Lego Man

[transplant99]

Its hilarious reading this thread every 24 hours or so...so much switching back and forth etc.

I can assure you I am not scum, but I understand the reasoning if post totals are what drives you to make a decision.

After readig through the last 2 days,

vote activestick

[Crazy Bacon Legs]

I'm becoming more and more convinced that you're ALL mafia, and this has been a big social experiment to give me a complex and a paranoid mindset. It's working.

Some of you make good arguments for specific people, but I'm sticking with my list. I figure we have better than a 50/50 chance at random off that list of getting a mafia person. And that's the point, isn't it?

I need to read back through everyone's posts before I make a decision though.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Activestick is still the 5th least active poster, and that is after coming hard and fast today.

If Strombad is right, then we win.
If Strombad is wrong, and killed, we get rid of a townie that can't see the forest for the tree.

Those are my thoughts on the Activestick Lynch, and they is why my vote remains.

I have no problem with picking off a low activity poster as any reason is random, but let's not pretend there's a forest here to be seen. There's just a green blur

[strombad]

To be fair, I've focused on activeStick a lot, but it's not like anyone else has been right so far. I'm still not going to put up a fight if people want me gone on the off chance he flips town, but the "forest through the trees" thing is, well, there's a lot of forests here guys, and only trees have gone home.

Because really, there's no way anybody could convince me of any different at this point, but if he had gone home right away, I wouldn't have had to spend multiple real days bringing up his name. I'm sticking to my guns. I'm either going to be super redeemed (and probably booted by mafia) or super embarrassed. How very exciting!

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by strombad

To be fair, I've focused on activeStick a lot, but it's not like anyone else has been right so far. I'm still not going to put up a fight if people want me gone on the off chance he flips town, but the "forest through the trees" thing is, well, there's a lot of forests here guys, and only trees have gone home.

Because really, there's no way anybody could convince me of any different at this point, but if he had gone home right away, I wouldn't have had to spend multiple real days bringing up his name. I'm sticking to my guns. I'm either going to be super redeemed (and probably booted by mafia) or super embarrassed. How very exciting!

That's because the forests are made of trees

[Completely]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

That's because the forests are made of trees

Wait? actually?

[HalifaxDrunk]

I thought Forests were made by Subaru. Wait, that's a Forrester. Never mind, back to your regularly scheduled paranoia.

Vote starseed for Mafia 2014.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

1) I'd like to stay in the game longer this time, so someone else going saves my bacon

This attitude was apparent in last day's lynching. The goal isn't to survive, it's to kill the mafia. Jumping on bandwagons so you don't get lynched isn't the way to win.

I stuck my neck out for Agulati when he had 20 some votes and no support because I thought he was a townsperson. If I wanted to solely live and draw no attention to myself I could have just jumped on the bandwagon. But because everyone else wants to make sure they don't get lynch they are happy to jump on townspersons for little reason and the results have been predictable.

I've laid out my suspicions of Starseed and Crazy Bacon Legs. I've had no hand in voting out townspersons. If both those guys end up being town the spotlight should be on me but right now I think Crazy Bacon Legs needs to go. His new argument of voting out people who voted for both hmmhmmcamo and agulati might not be terrible if he's a townsperson but if he's mafia they probably coordinated that plan earlier.

Vote: Crazy Bacon Legs

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

This attitude was apparent in last day's lynching. The goal isn't to survive, it's to kill the mafia. Jumping on bandwagons so you don't get lynched isn't the way to win.

I stuck my neck out for Agulati when he had 20 some votes and no support because I thought he was a townsperson. If I wanted to solely live and draw no attention to myself I could have just jumped on the bandwagon. But because everyone else wants to make sure they don't get lynch they are happy to jump on townspersons for little reason and the results have been predictable.

The goal in the first three/four days IS to survive as I know I'm a townie, but I don't have any idea about anyone else. Why not spare myself at the expense of anyone else who may not be town?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

The goal in the first three/four days IS to survive as I know I'm a townie, but I don't have any idea about anyone else. Why not spare myself at the expense of anyone else who may not be town?

Sure until we lynch the Doctor or Investigator because he forgot to end a sentence with a period and everyone would rather jump on the wagon than speak up.

It was ridiculous that agulati had 20+ votes yesterday. There was no way not to have the hammer hit him at the deadline and the mafia could simply hide, plan and coordinate with little resistance for an entire "day".

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Sure until we lynch the Doctor or Investigator because he forgot to end a sentence with a period and everyone would rather jump on the wagon than speak up.

It was ridiculous that agulati had 20+ votes yesterday. There was no way not to have the hammer hit him at the deadline and the mafia could simply hide, plan and coordinate with little resistance for an entire "day".

Keeping in mind there' s seven mafia left, so I'm sure they played a big part in that movement, at least at the beginning.

I'm sure they had to strategy to make it look like they weren't "all in" on that plan, such as vote switching, but that's the thing with where we're at right now; Everyone's throwing ideas around, but at this point, what's the point in taking anything as gospel or genuine unless it's completely based in fact?

For now, it's "Oh that poster aroused your suspicion? Who are you? What's your angle?".

[jayswin]

That's why I think we should go with what little info we do have that is genuine. Aka; Bizaro86 is the only known mafia so far. So let's make a very focused effort around any discussion to do with him in this game so far.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Sure until we lynch the Doctor or Investigator because he forgot to end a sentence with a period and everyone would rather jump on the wagon than speak up.

It was ridiculous that agulati had 20+ votes yesterday. There was no way not to have the hammer hit him at the deadline and the mafia could simply hide, plan and coordinate with little resistance for an entire "day".

And if we held off on agulati, we wait and lynch a potential doctor, role blocker out cop. The chances are the same when there's nothing to go off of.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Keeping in mind there' s seven mafia left, so I'm sure they played a big part in that movement, at least at the beginning.

I'm sure they had to strategy to make it look like they weren't "all in" on that plan, such as vote switching, but that's the thing with where we're at right now; Everyone's throwing ideas around, but at this point, what's the point in taking anything as gospel or genuine unless it's completely based in fact?

For now, it's "Oh that poster aroused your suspicion? Who are you? What's your angle?".

Yes, so the town either did the mafia's dirty work for them because of Street Pharmacist's attitude of "rather him than me" or the mafia set in action a plan and people like Street Pharmacist were glad to go with it because "rather him than me." Either way that's the wrong way to approach the game, it's not to survive it's to kill mafia. And under no circumstances should the votes have been well over 15 at one point. It gave 0 opportunity to switch the votes before the hammer even if new information was found so the day was clear sailing for the mafia yesterday.

Originally Posted by flameswin

That's why I think we should go with what little info we do have that is genuine. Aka; Bizaro86 is the only known mafia so far. So let's make a very focused effort around any discussion to do with him in this game so far.

He spent a lot of effort gathering post count for everyone before he learned there was an easier way to see. It was in response to voting out based on inactivity, would make sense that his group took an effort to not appear inactive.
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...28#post4745328
His list at the time for reference.

He also happens to mention Crazy Bacon Legs multiple times early on. Going so far as to say he wont vote for him.

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I know I certainly won't vote for him unless I'm pretty sure, since a CBL post is something I look forward to.

Would be pretty bad strategy if you're mafia to say you wont vote for another mafia member in your group specifically because then you die and it becomes super obvious. But we are dealing with first time players.

He was also quick to point out Crazy Bacon Legs casted the hammer:

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I think cbl voted and that was the hammer...

He's posted a lot about Crazy Bacon Legs. If you want to go on information about bizaro86 he's following a similar strategy to what I said starseed is doing with delegating responsibility (saying he will follow ineedanother) or going after big lists others put together. He just happens to have an added 'connection' with Crazy Bacon Legs.

It is a bit contradictory though as his low activity list had 1 post by Crazy Bacon Legs at the time but also made sure to point out his entertainment factor.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

The reason I was in favour of following ineedanother into hmmhmmcamo is that we know he is town, so even if he's not 100% right we don't need to worry about his motives. The fact that the voting for hmmhmmcamo has fizzled out and now people have moved on to Active Stick and Transplan99 makes me a bit suspicious. Not that I'm sure Active Stick and Transplant99 are town, but more that I'm suspicious of the motives of those who directed attention away from voting hmmhmmcamo.

At this point I think we're at risk of having a split vote and not lynching anyone, which I think hurts us as we lose out on information from both the voting patterns and the card flip.

I'm keeping my vote for now, and will try and go through the thread again to see if I can figure anything else out.

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I like this reasoning.

Unvote

Vote: hmmhmmcamo

SP likes the reasoning and goes with it. Have other people agreed with reasoning of posts and changed votes? Yeah. Hell, I'm pretty sure I have. But again, going with our very little "for sure" info. Bizaro was mafia, SP switched his vote soon after Bizaro's post to a poster who really didn't have much suspicion. Trying to overwhelm the masses into thinking there's something there?

Not much, admittedly, but a start if we're going the more focused route based on a dead mafia instead of based on dozens of posters saying dozens of different things and knowing that several or more of them are mafia.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Yes, so the town either did the mafia's dirty work for them because of Street Pharmacist's attitude of "rather him than me" or the mafia set in action a plan and people like Street Pharmacist were glad to go with it because "rather him than me." Either way that's the wrong way to approach the game, it's not to survive it's to kill mafia. And under no circumstances should the votes have been well over 15 at one point. It gave 0 opportunity to switch the votes before the hammer even if new information was found so the day was clear sailing for the mafia yesterday.

Again, it's not so much "better him than me" as much as it's "better an unknown than a for sure townie". It's also another flip to follow who voted and who said what about that vote. Another real day wouldn't have changed much as the verdict was in after his comment. I don't think mafia started that one. Even mafia probably thought he was in the other mafia. There was absolutely nothing to gain by switching targets this early in the game

[CofR]

I still think a good bet for us is to continue targeting low post counts.... We can't let mafia think that it's ok to simply hide in the shadows and coast along.

Sucks about agulati... His slip up just seemed like too high of a risk for us to take.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by flameswin

SP likes the reasoning and goes with it. Have other people agreed with reasoning of posts and changed votes? Yeah. Hell, I'm pretty sure I have. But again, going with our very little "for sure" info. Bizaro was mafia, SP switched his vote soon after Bizaro's post to a poster who really didn't have much suspicion. Trying to overwhelm the masses into thinking there's something there?

Not much, admittedly, but a start if we're going the more focused route based on a dead mafia instead of based on dozens of posters saying dozens of different things and knowing that several or more of them are mafia.

If I was mafia, why would I wait until he posted here to change my vote?