CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[Baxter Renegade]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Not to try and gang up on Baxter here, and I realize that we're trying to avoid using comparisons from the last game, but consider the following;

He's new to the game, and;

Last game we ended up finding out that an almost sure-fire tell with mafia/assassin were that they would "ask questions" about the game all the time, and typically avoid the actual discussion of posters.

It was a way to a) be involved without letting anything slip by accident, and b) they thought it would make them appear slightly ignorant to the game, and therefore make people think they couldn't be mafia if they were asking questions.

He's new, he's posted very little. Could he be using the same posting patterns as the mafia last game, unknowingly?

Just something to consider.

The questions are legitimate. There seems to be some pretty intelligent people in here, and really, nothing anyone is saying (rather TYPING) really condemns them. Its just blatant guessing right now with a few guys grasping at straws related to what an individual has typed.

Our best bet early on is to have an idea of who the inspector and doctor is, and utilize their gifts for the greater good. I don't understand how this is possible without the mafia folks knowing as well and immediately killing them... That's the reason for the questions... And I'm simply not commenting on suspicions regarding posters because that would be grasping at straws.

If you want my general thoughts on posters, I feel Rathji and Street Pharmacist are Mafia and possibly in the same group... Its a long shot, but it seems they understand the game and are devoting a lot of time to calling out posters(Rathji especially), possibly to keep attention off their own members.

[bizaro86]

The reason I was in favour of following ineedanother into hmmhmmcamo is that we know he is town, so even if he's not 100% right we don't need to worry about his motives. The fact that the voting for hmmhmmcamo has fizzled out and now people have moved on to Active Stick and Transplan99 makes me a bit suspicious. Not that I'm sure Active Stick and Transplant99 are town, but more that I'm suspicious of the motives of those who directed attention away from voting hmmhmmcamo.

At this point I think we're at risk of having a split vote and not lynching anyone, which I think hurts us as we lose out on information from both the voting patterns and the card flip.

I'm keeping my vote for now, and will try and go through the thread again to see if I can figure anything else out.

[GP_Matt]

What do you think about the role blocker position? He has a chance of blocking one of the two mafia killers but he has an equal chance of blocking the cop or doctor.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

The reason I was in favour of following ineedanother into hmmhmmcamo is that we know he is town, so even if he's not 100% right we don't need to worry about his motives. The fact that the voting for hmmhmmcamo has fizzled out and now people have moved on to Active Stick and Transplan99 makes me a bit suspicious. Not that I'm sure Active Stick and Transplant99 are town, but more that I'm suspicious of the motives of those who directed attention away from voting hmmhmmcamo.

At this point I think we're at risk of having a split vote and not lynching anyone, which I think hurts us as we lose out on information from both the voting patterns and the card flip.

I'm keeping my vote for now, and will try and go through the thread again to see if I can figure anything else out.

I like this reasoning.

Unvote

Vote: hmmhmmcamo

[starseed]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

The reason I was in favour of following ineedanother into hmmhmmcamo is that we know he is town, so even if he's not 100% right we don't need to worry about his motives. The fact that the voting for hmmhmmcamo has fizzled out and now people have moved on to Active Stick and Transplan99 makes me a bit suspicious. Not that I'm sure Active Stick and Transplant99 are town, but more that I'm suspicious of the motives of those who directed attention away from voting hmmhmmcamo.

At this point I think we're at risk of having a split vote and not lynching anyone, which I think hurts us as we lose out on information from both the voting patterns and the card flip.

I'm keeping my vote for now, and will try and go through the thread again to see if I can figure anything else out.

I was going to wait a bit longer to see how this potential deflection was going to play out. I dont see why people arent picking up with the idea of voting as a block with the proven townsperson for at least the first couple rounds where we have little info to go on. If it is all based on flimsy evidence, lets let the known townsperson make the decision.

This is the most logical method to use, at least for rounds 1 and 2.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by starseed

I was going to wait a bit longer to see how this potential deflection was going to play out. I dont see why people arent picking up with the idea of voting as a block with the proven townsperson for at least the first couple rounds where we have little info to go on. If it is all based on flimsy evidence, lets let the known townsperson make the decision.

This is the most logical method to use, at least for rounds 1 and 2.

I'm on board with following Ineedanother, at least at the beginning here. He really has to start getting a concrete plan and reasoning down, though. So far, he doesn't really seem that comfortable being a leader, so all we really have from him so far is "At least we know he isn't purposely mis-directing us".

The closest he's come so far to leading is passively saying that Baxter-Renegade hasn't posted much. But that seemed more like an "Everyone wants me to say something, so here's something off the top of my head" type of response than anything."

Originally Posted by ineedanother

This post is directed at everyone who questioned my motive. I knew I was leaving town for most of the weekend. I did not want to die before I could use my power. I ended up choosing Timbo as a target, because he made a lot of sense, plus gave us an easy vote if he was flipped mafia. All other choices did not further our situation, as there was nobody easily seen as co-conspirator. For somebody that was not on my list I am leary of Baxter renegade as he hasn't contributed much.

I would agree that my suspicions should not be taken as gospel, as I am throwing #### at a fan, hoping something sticks.

[hmmhmmcamo]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Hmmhmmcamo, why is transplant99 voting for ineedanother a concern for you?

I mean, a bunch of us did it, based off my suspicion, which seemed logical at the time. But if there is something more to your question that I can't see, it might mean there is more reason than just being inactive.

Yesterday there was some discussion about the inactive posters. When I started looking closer at transplant I thought his lack of posting combined with quietly jumping in on the ineedanother vote in the middle of the night was suspicious.

Transplant frequently posts in the FOI forum but hasn't really been seen since the game started. After he was called out yesterday he popped in and mentioned work, but that hasn't stopped him from contributing to these forums in the past.

I know it's not a lot to go on, but when looking at the inactive posters it stuck out to me.

Originally Posted by bizaro86

The reason I was in favour of following ineedanother into hmmhmmcamo is that we know he is town, so even if he's not 100% right we don't need to worry about his motives. The fact that the voting for hmmhmmcamo has fizzled out and now people have moved on to Active Stick and Transplan99 makes me a bit suspicious. Not that I'm sure Active Stick and Transplant99 are town, but more that I'm suspicious of the motives of those who directed attention away from voting hmmhmmcamo.

At this point I think we're at risk of having a split vote and not lynching anyone, which I think hurts us as we lose out on information from both the voting patterns and the card flip.

I'm keeping my vote for now, and will try and go through the thread again to see if I can figure anything else out.

Originally Posted by flameswin

I'm on board with following Ineedanother, at least at the beginning here. He really has to start getting a concrete plan and reasoning down, though. So far, he doesn't really seem that comfortable being a leader, so all we really have from him so far is "At least we know he isn't purposely mis-directing us".

The closest he's come so far to leading is passively saying that Baxter-Renegade hasn't posted much. But that seemed more like an "Everyone wants me to say something, so here's something off the top of my head" type of response than anything."

The problem with following ineedanother right now (besides him voting for me ) is that he's already made a couple mistakes in judgement (role reveal early and Timbo) and has admitted that he's a new player and not really sure what to do. Voting me out will make it three mistakes.

If the consensus becomes "do what ineedanother does", it makes it a lot easier for the Mafia to stay hidden by just going with the crowd and using that in their defense later. I don't see how we pick up on any patterns going this way.

By going with transplant99 now, we are either getting rid of mafia player that is trying to lay low, or a town player that isn't participating and making it easier for the Mafia to fly under the radar with the other inactive players.

[kermitology]

It seems like a reach but transplant is as good as anyone else, and relatively inactive.

Vote: transplant99

[undercoverbrother]

Sorry, haven't been on line much today and won't be till Monday.

I am keeping my vote for transplant99, past on lack of activitiy. He is either mafia and hiding, or useless townie.


Have a great weekend, I hope I am here on Monday to post.

[jayswin]

For Transplant it was his excuse that was a little odd, compared to the type of poster he is. I was willing to brush it off, but if others are leaning his direction and it won't be a the worst loss for the town anyways, then perhaps that's where we go?

He posts 7.69 posts per day over his history, but seemingly less than that over the last week or so. But still he was posting almost every day and when it comes to any discussion outside of CP mafia, it doesn't appear that work or real life gets too in the way of posting, especially for long periods of time, like he claims with this game. So that's a little odd.

I still think we'll likely be killing a townie in Transplant, he just seems pretty uninterested in the game more than suspicious, imo. But like others have mentioned, we're starting to come dangerously close to being very divided at the end of day 1 and not lynching anyone. So do we just go with it and hope for the best?

[jayswin]

I'll go with it. But let's at least make sure we're on the same page enough that we don't blow this. ActiveStick and that guy with all the letters in his name are still suspects for various reasons.

So let's head in one direction and be willing to change if others are, as there shouldn't be any reason to not change your vote to the majority right now with very little to nothing to go on, and if you're unwilling, then there's a good chance you're not a townie.

Vote: Transplant99

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by GGG

For todays vote I am happy going with one of the pileons post ineeds reveal. But if that doesnt net scum then I think we need to look in the opposite direction. I am posting this now in case I am nightkilled. Since the mafia new Ineeds reveal was true and they new that we would focus our lynch around people who continued to vote Ineed and that Ineed would likely kill someone on the list of people to vote for him it would make sense just to stay quiet and let us eat ourselves. So I have gone through people who posted after the reveal and pre kill order. Let me know if their are any ommissions. I also made notes where I felt people werent discussing the vig as that was a pretty big reveal so if you are posting you think you would mention it. Unless you wanted to look involved but be non commital. The bottom list is 4 names who didnt post in that time period (almost 1 day). Some of them could be just inactive at those times, others intentionally hiding. Now this is kind of a wine in front of me type thing as the alternative is that the mafia realizes that being inactive during a big reveal will paint the finger on them which is why we need to test both over today and tomorrow.

People involved in Vig discussion post reveal pre-kill
Dsal
Agulati
Legoman - didnt discuss vig
CC
devo
Streetpharm
Activestick - Didnt discuss vig
GpMatt
CBL - didnt discuss Vig
UCB - didnt discuss Vig
GGG
Strmbad
Starseed
Completely
Oling - didnt discuss vig
Rathji - wierd kill me to prove you are telling the truth when if you are town killing anyone but you is better because there is a 25% chance of killing mafia rather than %100 (is this just poor town or is it pro mafia)
Hockeyguy
Delgar
Bizaro
Timbo - dead townie pile on
Mmmcamo - pile on
Transplat99 - pile on
Kermit - pile on
HD - pile on
CoR
Ineed

People who didnt post in that time frame
Aneas - posted shortly after card flip
Baxter Renagade - generally inactive
Flameswin
Dropit

I totally agree that it was strange that I said to kill me, statically it would have been a bad suggestion. To be honest, I didn't this that part through that clearly, because I was rushed due to my Thursday night nerd fest that I needed to rush out the door to.

My thought was more that I was completely convinced he was false claiming so it didn't matter who I was suggesting, but also to make sure that if people were not going to trust me going forward, me being dead and revealing my town role and my intentions would make things a lot more clear for the town rather than waste a lynch trying to debate if I needed to die or if I was part of an elaborate mafia plot on the first day. It's not like the odds of him picking another mafia member at random are extremely high.

[Crazy Bacon Legs]

I just don't know anymore.

I need a minute to think about this. But I think I am going to at least change my vote this round.

It makes sense to go with the crowd I guess, with the caveat that if the guy everyone jumps on ends up as a townie, it immediately makes the instigators pretty danged suspicious.

I'll wait for a bit to see which way the wind is blowing here. I do have my pitchfork ready to go though. It's newly buffed and ready for action.

UNVOTE

[CofR]

Agree with tranny being a good target for today, it makes sense. He's not being very active, which is suspicious for him. Even if he is a townie, he's not really contributing.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by starseed

I was going to wait a bit longer to see how this potential deflection was going to play out. I dont see why people arent picking up with the idea of voting as a block with the proven townsperson for at least the first couple rounds where we have little info to go on. If it is all based on flimsy evidence, lets let the known townsperson make the decision.

This is the most logical method to use, at least for rounds 1 and 2.

Here's my issue with you jumping on the bandwagon so quickly though. While I agree that ineeedanother's motive is obviously town aligned, he doesn't have any additional information. In fact he has less as all townspersons know at least 2 people who are townpersons now where he can only confirm himself.

He's listed about 6 people he's suspicious of in his posts, but like Timbo he could be just as wrong. Or even if he's named a mafia, the other side isn't aware that he has. So if you're mafia and the 6 people that ineedanother has picked as suspicious don't include any of your mafia friends of course it's easy to say follow ineedanother for a couple rounds. It would be different if ineeedanother didn't include the people he was suspicious of and we all just agreed to follow his vote when he made it, but since the mafia knows who his targets are as long as they aren't with them they are happy to continue to push this objective.

If none of ineedanother's suspsect end up being mafia, or only include one mafia group, I'm going to say you should end up being a big suspect here.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Here's my issue with you jumping on the bandwagon so quickly though. While I agree that ineeedanother's motive is obviously town aligned, he doesn't have any additional information. In fact he has less as all townspersons know at least 2 people who are townpersons now where he can only confirm himself.

He's listed about 6 people he's suspicious of in his posts, but like Timbo he could be just as wrong. Or even if he's named a mafia, the other side isn't aware that he has. So if you're mafia and the 6 people that ineedanother has picked as suspicious don't include any of your mafia friends of course it's easy to say follow ineedanother for a couple rounds. It would be different if ineeedanother didn't include the people he was suspicious of and we all just agreed to follow his vote when he made it, but since the mafia knows who his targets are as long as they aren't with them they are happy to continue to push this objective.

If none of ineedanother's suspsect end up being mafia, or only include one mafia group, I'm going to say you should end up being a big suspect here.

So that post was very defensive and in-depth and at the end accusatory of a poster, considering it was the same strategy that almost everyone here is fine being on board with.

So I guess, if we're looking for early signs of posters being aligned, one would look at whatever poster Ineedanother has cause to be on the hot seat. Last one would be Baxter_Renegade.

[jayswin]

*caused

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by flameswin

So that post was very defensive and in-depth and at the end accusatory of a poster, considering it was the same strategy that almost everyone here is fine being on board with.

So I guess, if we're looking for early signs of posters being aligned, one would look at whatever poster Ineedanother has cause to be on the hot seat. Last one would be Baxter_Renegade.

Starseed was the first one to really suggest it though:

Originally Posted by starseed

At least for the next couple of days, we have a proven townsperson to lead us in voting. This is bad for the mafia. The doctor probably doesnt have any leads for whom else to protect, so it would be the best decision to protect an early townsperson leader.

Funny how quickly you're here to defend him when there's even a slight accusation against him.

If ineedanother happens to produce 2 mafia members from different sides with his early accusations, Starseed would be about the first person I trust. However, if ineedanother's accusations turn up nothing I think Starseed should get very very heavy look which is more than reasonable considering he was the first to suggest it.

[Mazrim]

Vote Count:

With 29 alive, it takes 15 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 10 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn’t Voted (5): CofR, agulati, activeStick, Delgar, Crazy Bacon Legs

Voting:
hmmhmmcamo (7): ineedanother, starseed, Aeneas, devo22, GP_Matt, bizaro86, Street Pharmacist
transplant99 (6): GGG, undercoverbrother, hmmhmmcamo, Rathji, kermitology, flameswin
kermitology (2): Hockeyguy15, DropIt
activeStick (2): strombad, Baxter Renegade
ineedanother (1): transplant99
Crazy Bacon Legs (1): Oling_Roachinen
GP_Matt (1): dsavillian
Completely (1): Lego Man
Rathji (1): CaptainCrunch
starseed (1): Completely
Delgar (1): HalifaxDrunk

Deadline is Sunday, May 4th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[GGG]

In starseeds defense he posted that we should follow ineedanother before ineedanother picked mmmcamo as his target. So its not as if he knew who he was going to pick at that time. It was likely that he was going to pick one of the pileons though.

So if Starseed was mafia you would be looking and seeing none of the pileons on your list then hoping ineed picks someone in that group. Then backing the ineed picks who we vote for strategy. Problem is that it backfires as soon as ineed picks one of your four in the next day or to. So it seems like an unlikely gambit by starseed.

Based on this I believe starseed is townie.

I dont extend the same logic to people like flameswin who posted wanting to follow ineed after he picked or later on when that view became popular

For voting though I perfer transplant over Camo based on activity level. The evidence between the is the same. Post are Pile ons on ineed, one is actively defending himself, the other isnt. I will switch off transplant to the vote leader tonight though to ensure a lynch tomorrow.