[News] Flames offersheet O'Reilly UPDATE: Avs match

[SebC]

Originally Posted by oilboy2

Same board lit up Klowe for his offer sheets......interesting to see upcoming reaction

Originally Posted by stang

Haha and everyone was crapping on the Oilers when try did it.

Originally Posted by TKB

hahahaha, I love this, the Calgary flames are trying to become the new Edmonton Oilers!!!!!

A first round pick and a third pick is quite a bit different than four first round picks (Vanek). There is nothing inherently good or bad about offer sheets: they need to be assessed on a case-by-case basis.

[Fleury2005]

I couldn't be happier that the Avs matched. Being on the hook for 6.5mil and losing out on a 1st and 3rd would have been brutal.

[MacFlame]

I'm concerned.

The Edmonton Oilers were forced into a rebuild. They tried to do this "re-tool" nonsense as well. They tried by trying to acquire Jagr. They tried with an offer sheet to Penner. They tried with the whole Heatley fiasco.

It failed. Miserably. Six (or seven?) years later, and they're still trying to make the playoffs.

Seriously, there's not much difference IMO with the current management of the Flames. The flames will be forced to rebuild, and by fighting the inevitable, it will take much longer.

I've said it before....the current predicament that the Flames are in is not a single individuals fault ( although I do blame ownership/management for not doing something about it sooner), but sometimes a change is simply needed. It has never been so apparent as it is now ( though I would argue that something drastic should have been done after the playoff series loss to SJ and maybe even after the loss to Anaheim).

Thornton was/is a great player, but Boston ownership understood a culture change was needed.

Naslund and Bertuzzi were great players, but Vancouver ownership understood that a culture change was needed.

Sundin was the franchise player, but Toronto understood (albeit too late) that it was time to turn the page.

It's time..not just for Iginla, but for many on this squad. It hasn't worked since 2004....almost 10 years ago!....and it certainly won't work now, regardless if they would have acquired or o'reilly.

The problem lies with the existing players in that locker room.

Turn the page. Move on.

[Nuje]

Originally Posted by MacFlame

I'm concerned.

The Edmonton Oilers were forced into a rebuild. They tried to do this "re-tool" nonsense as well. They tried by trying to acquire Jagr. They tried with an offer sheet to Penner. They tried with the whole Heatley fiasco.

It failed. Miserably. Six (or seven?) years later, and they're still trying to make the playoffs.

Hmm. Interesting, and very true. I had realized that the Oilers started a rebuild, and marketed it was such, because they were forced to, not because they decided to. However I really never looked at how they got there. Very true.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

He can't be traded for at least a year (which is after next season's deadline).

Actually, one of the reasons (I would presume) that the Avs responded so quickly is that they date-stamped this transaction today. I am not 100% certain but I would think that would imply that the one year freeze would end on Feb 28th next year, which would likely fall before the trade deadline date.

Smart move by the Avs.

By the way, how about Neil Smith (is that his name?) on Sportsnet ripping the Avs GM a new one after his comments. Too funny.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Nuje

Hmm. Interesting, and very true. I had realized that the Oilers started a rebuild, and marketed it was such, because they were forced to, not because they decided to. However I really never looked at how they got there. Very true.

However, the Oilers (Lowe specifically, who had Laforge on board) started their demise long ago, and it remains it seems in NHLPA circles as far as for UFAs. Started by trying to screw over Comrie on his second contract, forcing him to try and take less then his ELC out of "goodwill"

Then asked money back from him when they were going to trade him to ANA, Lowe thinking he was a trend setter and maverick to be doing such a bold thing for a small market. Then slagging Comrie in the city, Mike and his family before and after trading.

Of course, players around the league started talking.

Then, hoodwinked Pronger into coming to town, and jerked him around so much about how the team was to be built up around them so much that in 3 months he wanted to leave.

The Oilers made a miracle run, which made things worse by overpaying the Horcoffs and Pisnai's of the team so that the Oilers were almost a cap team.

Since that point after Pronger, word has traveled in NHLPA circles that the Oilers was going to try and screw you around, so don't go there as a UFA. No Nylander, who backed out. Oiler fans looking to the skies to be on the lookout for Jagr's plane after those pie in the sky rumors.

Lowe had to do those offer sheets to try and get players, and then pissed of GM's by Reiger telling him the day before he was going to match him for Vanek, not to bother even doing it, but Lowe did it anyways. Same with Burke, who grumpily yet happily took them and turned them into a SC team.

Lowe then declaring at the draft the Oilers are open for business, but no one bothered.

As far as UFA's, Khaibhulin was injured but went there because Lowe gave him a 5 year deal where he'd be lucky to get 2 years anywhere else at the time.

Getting the top draft picks were a boon, as those players were forced to be with the Oilers for the most part. Pulling out all the stops to get Schultz last year, again, without needing a trading partner to deal with.

Then some of the issues around the medical team and Souray, trying to pass of two injured players on LA a year or so ago in a trade etc etc, all adds up and just tarnishes the image of the Oilers to potential UFA's.

The situation in Calgary is a lot different. There isn't that level of distrust, and that's thanks to Darryl Sutter returning respectability to the franchise. Even in these darker days,..its still a UFA destination as proved by the likes of Wideman and Hudler, and go back to Jokinen, Bouwmeester, Hamrilk Bertuzzi (I know) and all the other guys that have willingly signed here thanks to management honesty (under D. Sutter), team stability, and an honorable guy like Iginla, when Edmonton was having trouble attracting flies.

Calgary may or may not have the assets to trade or willingness to let them go, which forces the Cervrenka thing and the offer sheet today (which was different then the Vanek and Penner, given the $ amount) to add talent from different sources, but there not anywher close (yet) in the undesirablilty of the franchise as a UFA destination that Lowe broke down systematically over the years 2002-2009. That's why the Oilers have to re-tool in the way they are forced to, and the Flames have to for their own, far less dramatic reasons.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Actually, one of the reasons (I would presume) that the Avs responded so quickly is that they date-stamped this transaction today. I am not 100% certain but I would think that would imply that the one year freeze would end on Feb 28th next year, which would likely fall before the trade deadline date.

Smart move by the Avs.

By the way, how about Neil Smith (is that his name?) on Sportsnet ripping the Avs GM a new one after his comments. Too funny.

Neil Smith is a trippy looking dude, but i thought his comments were bang on.

[JohnnyB]

I'm glad Colorado matched the offer. They did so without even blinking.
Like many others I think my highest expectations for the Flames this year are in their draft ranking.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Actually, one of the reasons (I would presume) that the Avs responded so quickly is that they date-stamped this transaction today. I am not 100% certain but I would think that would imply that the one year freeze would end on Feb 28th next year, which would likely fall before the trade deadline date.

Smart move by the Avs.

By the way, how about Neil Smith (is that his name?) on Sportsnet ripping the Avs GM a new one after his comments. Too funny.

Weren't you the guy guaranteeing the Avs wouldn't match?

Now you're saying it's a smart move?

Ok...

[JeanLucPicard]

This story started and ended while I didn't even know about it. I was busy doing a project now come to CP and see all this.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Weren't you the guy guaranteeing the Avs wouldn't match?

Now you're saying it's a smart move?

Ok...

He didn't think they would match not that they shouldn't have matched.

Do you understand that or do you just post stuff and pretend to be obtuse?

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Weren't you the guy guaranteeing the Avs wouldn't match?

Now you're saying it's a smart move?

Ok...

Ok Tinordi, all they did was waste paper. The only loser in this case was the environment.

[Goodlad]

I watched the Av's feed for tonight's game, and those guys were pretty damn excited that O'Reilly is going to be an Av for the next two seasons. Too bad it didn't work out.

[Dion]

It was strictly business

Sherman said Calgary's decision to try to sign one of Colorado's restricted free agents was strictly business.

"It's their right within the [collective bargaining agreement] to put that offer sheet forward and we have our rights within the CBA to match it," Sherman said. "If that's the way they want to do their business, that's their right. The fact that we received the offer the day of the game, against them, that's their prerogative. That's their business."

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/...n-oreilly.html

Flames tried to acquire O'Rielly via the trade route

Feaster said. "We had extensive trade discussions with Colorado but felt the price to acquire the player via trade was too steep. We felt it would negatively impact our future, so we made the decision to go ahead with the offer sheet."

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/ho...753/story.html

[jhunt223]

Lol... Those of you who pretended to think this was a bad idea to avoid looking like schmucks must surely be happy. Why did the avs match so quickly? It couldn't possible be that hes a good young center that any organization thats had any experience with would realize has the potential to be an elite defensive centerman. I'm going to go hang myself by duffmans tacky blonde al borland look alike flannel shirt.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Sakari

Pat Steinberg ‏@Fan960Steinberg Feaster: "O'Reilly accepted his qualifying offer very quickly. He wanted to be a Calgary Flame." #Flames

That there.. really ticks me off.

It doesn't follow that he wanted to be a Calgary Flame specifically. It gave him a huge amount of money and a chance to leave Colorado and play. It forced Colorado to give him what he wanted.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by jhunt223

Lol... Those of you who pretended to think this was a bad idea to avoid looking like schmucks must surely be happy. Why did the avs match so quickly? It couldn't possible be that hes a good young center that any organization thats had any experience with would realize has the potential to be an elite defensive centerman. I'm going to go hang myself by duffmans tacky blonde al borland look alike flannel shirt.

They matched because they felt that they'd just be getting a mid first round pick back and they've been shopping O'Reilly for a higher price. Doesn't change the fact that a team could have him if the price is right.

[StrykerSteve]

Flames currently sit 25th in the league. If the draft starts today, the pick is top 5, if not top 3.

[mustache ride]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Flames currently sit 25th in the league. If the draft starts today, the pick is top 5, if not top 3.

By the end of this road trip it will be top three

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Weren't you the guy guaranteeing the Avs wouldn't match?

Now you're saying it's a smart move?

Ok...

Please reference post where I guaranteed anything.

Also, what I said was that the TIMING of matching was smart. I know that this is only a subtle difference to what you were implying, but I am sure that if you think about it for a while, you'll be able to figure it out

If a fly by post like that is all you have to add, that is pretty sad