The New American Politics thread

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Drak

Racism and bigotry is a big deal. Promoting racism and bigotry as part of the party platform is harmful to society and the people its targeting. Supporting that candidate and saying you're ignoring the racism bigotry aspect makes you just as guilty as the actual bigots and racists.

Uh, who's saying it's not a big deal?

Dismissing his support as solely because of racism is dangerous, because the legitimate gripes are going to fester, and grow, as a result of feeling that they've been ignored for another election cycle.

That's why it's a shame that it's this moron that was the first one to really tap into that discontent and roll it into all his other garbage.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The orange goblin is so petty he gives more to help get even than to actual charities. I think I can (maybe) accept voting for Trump, if it's a "I hate Hillary thing". But I just cannot accept voting for him because people believe he's a good leader or person, or honest, or trustworthy. He's just pure scum (Bossie now works for the Trump campaign just for ####s and giggles).

Donald Trump’s charitable foundation gave $100,000 in 2014 to a conservative activist group that was used to help finance a federal lawsuit against New York state Attorney General Eric Schneiderman — the same public official who was suing the real estate mogul for fraud over the operations of Trump University.

The size and timing of the donation to the Citizens United Foundation, an arm of the sprawling conservative network run by David Bossie, who is now Trump’s deputy campaign manager, could raise fresh questions about whether Trump has used his tax-exempt charity to further political and personal cause

A review of tax returns filed by the Trump Foundation shows that the 2014 donation to Bossie’s Citizens United Foundation was by far the largest it gave to any organization that year, substantially exceeding its contributions to more traditional charities, such as the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society (which got $50,000), the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute ($25,000) and the Police Athletic League ($25,000).

It was also the first time the Citizens United Foundation had ever received funding from Trump’s charity.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-cha...ail&soc_trk=ma

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by nik-

Uh, who's saying it's not a big deal?

Dismissing his support as solely because of racism is dangerous, because the legitimate gripes are going to fester, and grow, as a result of feeling that they've been ignored for another election cycle.

That's why it's a shame that it's this moron that was the first one to really tap into that discontent and roll it into all his other garbage.

Legitimate gripes? What are those again? The poor representation angle doesn't hold water. The Presidential candidate can't address that problem. The down ticket votes address that issue, and these very same voters that complain about being disenfranchised continue to send people to Washington that continue to disenfranchise them. Until they recognize those that will hurt them the most nothing will change. I find it most ironic that Trump should make an emotional appeal to black voters to dump the Democrats for not helping poor people, yet the poor white people can't see beyond the end of the color of their their nose as to who has been making life harder on them? Clinton is indeed one of those corporatists who is increasing the income gap, but Trump is the slum lord who is selling them #### and telling them it's caviar, taking the profit, and laughing at them. He is not a servant of the people, he preys upon the people.

Trump also isn't the first to tap into this angst. The Tea Party movement was also based on this same populist feeling. This really is the Tea Party movement moving on from one lost cause to another. It is hilarious to see the number of Trump bumper stickers down here that have a faded Tea Party sticker or Gadsden flag on their vehicle.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by nik-

Uh, who's saying it's not a big deal?

Dismissing his support as solely because of racism is dangerous, because the legitimate gripes are going to fester, and grow, as a result of feeling that they've been ignored for another election cycle.

That's why it's a shame that it's this moron that was the first one to really tap into that discontent and roll it into all his other garbage.

Couldn't have said it better.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by New Era

Legitimate gripes? What are those again? The poor representation angle doesn't hold water. The Presidential candidate can't address that problem. The down ticket votes address that issue, and these very same voters that complain about being disenfranchised continue to send people to Washington that continue to disenfranchise them. Until they recognize those that will hurt them the most nothing will change. I find it most ironic that Trump should make an emotional appeal to black voters to dump the Democrats for not helping poor people, yet the poor white people can't see beyond the end of the color of their their nose as to who has been making life harder on them? Clinton is indeed one of those corporatists who is increasing the income gap, but Trump is the slum lord who is selling them #### and telling them it's caviar, taking the profit, and laughing at them. He is not a servant of the people, he preys upon the people.

It doesn't matter if the actual ability to resolve the gripes are there when it comes to gaining support as a result of those topics. It's an emotion vote.

Just because you don't think it holds water doesn't mean that it's not a valid reason for some of his support. It resonated with people and got him a lot of his early support.

He gave a message, they bought into that message, ignoring the fact that he can't and probably wouldn't fix it anyway. That's the end of the story really. We all know he's a charlatan, but people believed what he was saying, and some of them believed the things he was saying that weren't racist and that's why they support him.

[Flash Walken]

I would have loved to have seen peter put on the same passionate defense of the dangers of the status quo and the validity of a protest candidate in the Alberta elections threads.

A thread for the ages I would imagine.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I would have loved to have seen peter put on the same passionate defense of the dangers of the status quo and the validity of a protest candidate in the Alberta elections threads.

A thread for the ages I would imagine.

Not sure I was on CP for that time, but my personal sentiments were not entirely what you would predict.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by peter12

Not sure I was on CP for that time, but my personal sentiments were not entirely what you would predict.

And I'm sure it would take hundreds of posts to pinpoint exactly what those personal sentiments were.

Fortunately I am not that bored, so we can avoid it entirely.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

And I'm sure it would take hundreds of posts to pinpoint exactly what those personal sentiments were.

Fortunately I am not that bored, so we can avoid it entirely.

Man, you can be the worst sometime.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by peter12

Man, you can be the worst sometime.

Sometimes*. Man, you slacking! That's not how to troll

[MissTeeks]

Pence is releasing his tax returns today:

[Drak]

Originally Posted by nik-

Uh, who's saying it's not a big deal?

Dismissing his support as solely because of racism is dangerous, because the legitimate gripes are going to fester, and grow, as a result of feeling that they've been ignored for another election cycle.

That's why it's a shame that it's this moron that was the first one to really tap into that discontent and roll it into all his other garbage.

I wasn't implying you were saying that it's not a big deal. I was merely opening my comment with it as part of my point.

[Senator Clay Davis]

*shakes head* *shrugs shoulders*

Donald Trump is taking his health records to the doctor — Dr. Oz, that is.

Pressured in recent weeks to release his medical records, Trump will appear on the first week of The Dr. Oz Show’s eighth season, which kicks off next week. Trump will reportedly appear alongside his daughter, Ivanka Trump, in the hour-long interview with Dr. Mehmet Oz.

A teaser for the interview says that Trump “addresses why the health of the candidates has become such a serious issue in this campaign” and “reveals his own personal health regimen.” The interview is scheduled to air next Thursday.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...#ixzz4JnSd1f2Z

[KootenayFlamesFan]

He's not going to talk about Ivanka's body again is he? That creeped me out.

[PsYcNeT]

*makes health a running theme*

*goes on Dr. Oz*

I weep for humanity.

[Looch City]

Dr. Oz.

I expect to come out of this with a new line of Trump products - The Trump Diet.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

*makes health a running theme*

*goes on Dr. Oz*

I weep for humanity.

Ladies and Gentlemen, allow me to introduce the next Surgeon General of the United States.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by nik-

Uh, who's saying it's not a big deal?

Dismissing his support as solely because of racism is dangerous, because the legitimate gripes are going to fester, and grow, as a result of feeling that they've been ignored for another election cycle.

That's why it's a shame that it's this moron that was the first one to really tap into that discontent and roll it into all his other garbage.

Yeah, this is what is disappointing.

The IDEA of someone like Trump coming in as an outsider with no real concrete political affiliations to at least shake out some of the apathy is a good thing, and something the US sorely sorely needs.

If it was Bill Gates, it would be hugely beneficial for the US and likely the world. But it's not. Its Donald Trump. And the idea behind him being good does not make him a good choice by default, and does not make Hillary (despite her cronyism or whatever) a bad choice by default.

Some people seem to think that simply because he upsets the establishment, it's a good thing. He could upset it in the very opposite way needed, which looks to really be quite obviously the case.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Larry King on Friday rebutted the Donald Trump campaign’s assertion that the Republican candidate didn’t know he had agreed to speak on Russian state television when King interviewed him.

On Friday King told CNN’s Erin Burnett that while he did not participate in the scheduling process himself, he dismissed the notion that Trump would not know what he had agreed to when speaking to his show producers, pointing to the fact that the real estate mogul had just recently appeared on his podcast.

“If Donald said he thought it was a podcast that stretches it a little because he just did my podcast,” King said. “I did not make the arrangements for him to be on the show. My producers talked to his people, and they made the arrangements. So I never know what was said to him except he was doing my TV show.”

“We were doing an interview and it was supposed to be for ten minutes and right at the end of ten minutes I stopped,” he said. “I never got to say good-bye. I don't know why I stopped so abruptly.”

King said Trump had apologized for the departure and was planning to schedule another interview.

“They said that a girl came in and for some reason told Donald he had something else to do and he had to leave,” he said. “It just was strange and not only did they apologize, but they were planning to reschedule another appearance next week.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...#ixzz4Jo8Flopk

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

Dr. Oz.

I expect to come out of this with a new line of Trump products - The Trump Diet.

Is that Trump's end game? To be at the top of the facebook, diet shake, pyramid? I'd buy it.