Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Torture]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1659279355619737601

[Fuzz]

[undercoverbrother]

Wasn't Smith going to sue CBC?

I can't remember what that was all about.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Wasn't Smith going to sue CBC?

I can't remember what that was all about.

She was threatening them with defamation for reporting the Pawlowski thing and that she was attempting to interfere with the judicial process. (Despite the fact they were basically reporting her own words)

The deadline passed for when they she had demanded they apologize by or she would pursue legal action and she never did. So yeah, she was threatening but it was all bluster.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

She is such a ####ing dumb dumb

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

My understanding of kermitologys original post was more blame oriented onto Albertans for supporting the oil and gas industry. It seemed to insinuate Albertans are wrong for supporting the industry that economically supports the bedrock of finances for the province and I think it’s quite a strange position detached from reality. Oil and gas companies serve a market demand, so, seems to me like there’s an industry that’s required there. Pretending that there are some external powers and forces causing this effect is also an odd position but I’ll read what you posted, thanks.

There can be some nuance to acknowledge that being critical of the O&G industry in general doesn't need to be taken personally by everyone in the province.

We have derived a ton of benefit from resource exploitation here, but it doesn't mean we should continue to bend over backwards at every step to continue our absolute dependence on it.

Originally Posted by Slava

I mean if you can't understand the difference between spending on operations vs. capital projects, that's on you.

We've been over this. A $ is a $. A lot of gov't operational spending is essentially non-tangible capital spending (oxymoron, I know). If you can't understand the reasons for maintaining operational spending despite a resource downturn, that's on you.

It's just funny to see you muster some rationalization for Smith in her plight of having no good choices when dealing with her totally unlucky bozo eruptions...but you've never engaged in good faith with the same "what was she supposed to do?" argument for Notley's predicament.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

The final section of that report:

In my opinion, Premier Smith contravened s.3 of the Conflicts of Interest Act in her interaction
with the Minister of Justice and Attorney General in relation to the criminal charges Mr. Pawlowski
was facing.
At this point, I make no recommendations with respect to sanctions against the Premier for
consideration of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta but reserve the right to make
recommendations once the Legislative Assembly is back in session.
I also recommend that:
1. All new Members of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta attend mandatory training upon
election about the structure of Canadian government and the roles of the three branches
of government.
2. The Legislative Assembly of Alberta consider whether to amend the Conflicts of Interest
Act to provide for a stay on any ongoing investigation from the time that the writ drops for
an election until the election results are certified. Similar provisions are found in section
30(4.1) on the Ontario Members’ Integrity Act, 1994, SO 1994, c.38. Not having such a
provision puts the Ethics Commissioner and the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly in
an extremely difficult position with respect to the timing and release of any report.

My two takeaways.
1) anyone who says this exonerates Danielle Smith is dumb. It clearly says (bolded by me) that she broke the law

2) As to recommendation #1. Danielle Smith is so bad at her job, she so poorly understands what she can/can't do, that she forced the ethics commissioner to recommend that new MLAs (That our current freaking Premier) should have to retake Junior High Social Studies

F*** Me the UCP is a tire fire!

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

There can be some nuance to acknowledge that being critical of the O&G industry in general doesn't need to be taken personally by everyone in the province.

We have derived a ton of benefit from resource exploitation here, but it doesn't mean we should continue to bend over backwards at every step to continue our absolute dependence on it.






We've been over this. A $ is a $. A lot of gov't operational spending is essentially non-tangible capital spending (oxymoron, I know). If you can't understand the reasons for maintaining operational spending despite a resource downturn, that's on you.

It's just funny to see you muster some rationalization for Smith in her plight of having no good choices when dealing with her totally unlucky bozo eruptions...but you've never engaged in good faith with the same "what was she supposed to do?" argument for Notley's predicament.

You can build the hospital (Capital Spending) but don't you dare staff it (Operational Spending). Seems logical to me.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Also, Press Progress' Duncan Kinney is threatening to sue Danielle Smith over her swastika spray-painting claims. Personally I love that she commented on an individual case that is before the courts. Bus Boobs just can't seem to keep her mouth shut and her face out of privacy concerns.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1659281491061542913

So she has until noon tomorrow to apologize.
If I were her I wouldn't take it as a bluff and ignore the letter.

Unlike her, I don't think Tom Engel plays that game.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

So she has until noon tomorrow to apologize.
If I were her I wouldn't take it as a bluff and ignore the letter.

Unlike her, I don't think Tom Engel plays that game.

She should do it live on TV tonight during the debate.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

The final section of that report:

In my opinion, Premier Smith contravened s.3 of the Conflicts of Interest Act in her interaction
with the Minister of Justice and Attorney General in relation to the criminal charges Mr. Pawlowski
was facing.
At this point, I make no recommendations with respect to sanctions against the Premier for
consideration of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta but reserve the right to make
recommendations once the Legislative Assembly is back in session.
I also recommend that:
1. All new Members of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta attend mandatory training upon
election about the structure of Canadian government and the roles of the three branches
of government.
2. The Legislative Assembly of Alberta consider whether to amend the Conflicts of Interest
Act to provide for a stay on any ongoing investigation from the time that the writ drops for
an election until the election results are certified. Similar provisions are found in section
30(4.1) on the Ontario Members’ Integrity Act, 1994, SO 1994, c.38. Not having such a
provision puts the Ethics Commissioner and the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly in
an extremely difficult position with respect to the timing and release of any report.

My two takeaways.
1) anyone who says this exonerates Danielle Smith is dumb. It clearly says (bolded by me) that she broke the law

2) As to recommendation #1. Danielle Smith is so bad at her job, she so poorly understands what she can/can't do, that she forced the ethics commissioner to recommend that new MLAs (That our current freaking Premier) should have to retake Junior High Social Studies

F*** Me the UCP is a tire fire!

I laughed at Recommendation #1 as well. Taking a class on civics after one is elected to the legislature is absolutely bonkers. Having said that, with this group of candidates, it surely is required.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1659297169906753538

Interesting Alberta Chamber of commerce sounding the alarm as well.

[Senator Clay Davis]

With Yoho pumping up the disinfo and propaganda, pretty good sign the UCP is in serious trouble.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1659297169906753538

Interesting Alberta Chamber of commerce sounding the alarm as well.

of course they are. all they care about is the profitability of large businesses.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

With Yoho pumping up the disinfo and propaganda, pretty good sign the UCP is in serious trouble.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1659297169906753538

Interesting Alberta Chamber of commerce sounding the alarm as well.

Penned by one Jason Leslie, a man who has significant ties to DynaLife.

Nothing to see here citizen.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

There can be some nuance to acknowledge that being critical of the O&G industry in general doesn't need to be taken personally by everyone in the province.

We have derived a ton of benefit from resource exploitation here, but it doesn't mean we should continue to bend over backwards at every step to continue our absolute dependence on it.






We've been over this. A $ is a $. A lot of gov't operational spending is essentially non-tangible capital spending (oxymoron, I know). If you can't understand the reasons for maintaining operational spending despite a resource downturn, that's on you.

It's just funny to see you muster some rationalization for Smith in her plight of having no good choices when dealing with her totally unlucky bozo eruptions...but you've never engaged in good faith with the same "what was she supposed to do?" argument for Notley's predicament.

I'm not rationalizing anything for Smith, and I've already said a number of times that I'm voting against her. That, in and of itself, doesn't mean that the NDP was fiscally prudent though. I don't quite understand why that seems so hard to square.

To me, and most rational people who understand finance, they had options and simply chose not to use them. You can deflect that however you like, but the fact remains that it was those choices that meant the credit rating was cut. Of course the oil prices hit the budget, but the credit rating was cut because of their lack of action in dealing with that. It's not even up for debate...this is what happened. It's not about conjecture or questioning whether it could be the case. They were told not to go down that road, Ceci was like "I'm doing whatever I want" (my interpretation), and the agencies cut the rating.

Anyway, I'm done with this debate. I don't know why you (and I think a few others) seem to get a kick out of pointing out that I called this a cardinal sin (it is). It's not even a debatable idea that borrowing for operations is incredibly risky and foolish.

[Looch City]

Yoho gets paid by the post by UCP right?

Nobody can be this stupid by choice and not get paid for it. The level of spam/disinformation is increasing exponentially by day!

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

The final section of that report:

In my opinion, Premier Smith contravened s.3 of the Conflicts of Interest Act in her interaction
with the Minister of Justice and Attorney General in relation to the criminal charges Mr. Pawlowski
was facing.
At this point, I make no recommendations with respect to sanctions against the Premier for
consideration of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta but reserve the right to make
recommendations once the Legislative Assembly is back in session.
I also recommend that:
1. All new Members of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta attend mandatory training upon
election about the structure of Canadian government and the roles of the three branches
of government.
2. The Legislative Assembly of Alberta consider whether to amend the Conflicts of Interest
Act to provide for a stay on any ongoing investigation from the time that the writ drops for
an election until the election results are certified. Similar provisions are found in section
30(4.1) on the Ontario Members’ Integrity Act, 1994, SO 1994, c.38. Not having such a
provision puts the Ethics Commissioner and the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly in
an extremely difficult position with respect to the timing and release of any report.

My two takeaways.
1) anyone who says this exonerates Danielle Smith is dumb. It clearly says (bolded by me) that she broke the law

2) As to recommendation #1. Danielle Smith is so bad at her job, she so poorly understands what she can/can't do, that she forced the ethics commissioner to recommend that new MLAs (That our current freaking Premier) should have to retake Junior High Social Studies

F*** Me the UCP is a tire fire!

Here's the part of the Act Smith was found to contravene;

Influence
3 A Member breaches this Act if the Member uses the Member’s
office or powers to influence or to seek to influence a decision to
be made by or on behalf of the Crown to further a private interest
of the Member, a person directly associated with the Member or the
Member’s minor child or to improperly further another person’s
private interest

Just posting for convenience.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Yoho gets paid by the post by UCP right?

Nobody can be this stupid by choice and not get paid for it. The level of spam/disinformation is increasing exponentially by day!

We can't ####ing swear but disinformation is ok.