2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[JJFlash]

I am not sure what the love affair is with ROR. I like the player but I am not sure what type of player he is. He is not a natural goal scorer. He is a decent playmaker. He clearly is not a real gritty player if he is up for the lady bing. He is good on the PK, decent on the PP and strong on the FO. But he is not elite and yet he gets paid like he is elite. I think if the Flames are patient with Janko they will have a more offensively gifted ROR.

The only way the Flames will compete for the cup is if they can max out on the entry level contracts. They need get away from chasing a player that gets between 8-10 m per season, marquee players can get injured and that type of investment limits a team's options to bounce back.

[Yobbo]

Sorry not Sportsnet, I meant Flames Nation.

Originally Posted by Yobbo

I keep hearing and reading how much sense bringing Taveres to town would make for the Flames. Steinberg has brought it up, and there's a write up on Sportsnet talking about the fit. That would be a dream move, and could help this Flames team immensely. Make it happen!

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[jayswin]

Originally Posted by JJFlash

I am not sure what the love affair is with ROR. I like the player but I am not sure what type of player he is. He is not a natural goal scorer. He is a decent playmaker. He clearly is not a real gritty player if he is up for the lady bing. He is good on the PK, decent on the PP and strong on the FO. But he is not elite and yet he gets paid like he is elite. I think if the Flames are patient with Janko they will have a more offensively gifted ROR.

The only way the Flames will compete for the cup is if they can max out on the entry level contracts. They need get away from chasing a player that gets between 8-10 m per season, marquee players can get injured and that type of investment limits a team's options to bounce back.

A lot of it has to do with perceived availability and estimated price to acquire, at least that's why I've brought him up multiple times. Trying to be realistic.

Talking about Taveres or Seguin is fun, but ultimately I'm trying to look at options that have a decent chance of happening.

[CliffFletcher]

ROR is good offensively, excellent defensively, is elite at face-offs and the PK, and has a motor that doesn't quit. So he's a guy you can put out on a top-2 C role, and he can play a shut down role against the opposition's top line. One way to look at it is who's more elite: a 5/3 (offense/defense) C, or a 4/5?

He was good enough to make Team Canada as a centre. And he just turned 27 (2 years younger than Backlund). Personally, I think the day he joined the Flames he would immediately become the 3rd best all-around player on the roster, after Gaudreau and Gio.

[Monahan For Mayor]

Yeah ROR is a great player. Plays a similar game as Backlund but is slightly more effect in most aspects. Also he is a faceoff stud.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Yeah ROR is a great player. Plays a similar game as Backlund but is slightly more effect in most aspects. Also he is a faceoff stud.

Yeah, he is Backlund plus. His only downside is his paycheque. But even that is rich but not unmanageable.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

He was good enough to make Team Canada as a centre. And he just turned 27 (2 years younger than Backlund). Personally, I think the day he joined the Flames he would immediately become the 3rd best all-around player on the roster, after Gaudreau and Gio.

Johnny is obviously a better player, but ROR is the better all around player.



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[Kybb79]

ROR would be Calgary best Centre. He brings alot to the table.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by JJFlash

I am not sure what the love affair is with ROR. I like the player but I am not sure what type of player he is. He is not a natural goal scorer. He is a decent playmaker. He clearly is not a real gritty player if he is up for the lady bing. He is good on the PK, decent on the PP and strong on the FO. But he is not elite and yet he gets paid like he is elite. I think if the Flames are patient with Janko they will have a more offensively gifted ROR.

The only way the Flames will compete for the cup is if they can max out on the entry level contracts. They need get away from chasing a player that gets between 8-10 m per season, marquee players can get injured and that type of investment limits a team's options to bounce back.

I think people are confusing traditional gritt and what the Flames are missing from a hate to lose and complete perspective and mixing it up. They do often go together, so it’s understandable when people see the hate to lose in a player like Chucky and how it’s shiwn off in gritty / dirty play. While I’m happy to add that we need increases compete level on this team in spades. If ROR does bring that, couldn’t care less that he’s not going to goon it up or pest it up.

[SuperMatt18]

ROR is a fine player but I'm not really sure he moves the needle that much. Tough to see how much impact he has since he's only ever played on bad teams.

Either way The issue isn't the player, it's that Trading Backlund + Brodie for him or Brodie + Jankowski + Fox doesn't really make this team any better long term.

[oldschoolcalgary]

with Point becoming such a star in TB, any chance that Johnson gets moved? TB seems to have quite a bit of talent up front

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, he is Backlund plus. His only downside is his paycheque. But even that is rich but not unmanageable.

I would swap Backlund and his contract straight across for ROR without hesitation but I don't see Backlund getting moved.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

with Point becoming such a star in TB, any chance that Johnson gets moved? TB seems to have quite a bit of talent up front

and that's why they're good. Tampa just doesn't have much reason to move anyone, especially with the cap continuing to climb year after year. Their cap structure, and team depth is astounding.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

ROR would be Calgary best Centre. He brings alot to the table.

Agreed. Would love to see him paired with Tkachuck.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

with Point becoming such a star in TB, any chance that Johnson gets moved? TB seems to have quite a bit of talent up front

Kypreos mentioned Johnson as a piece the lightning might move a head of the deadline, in part due to Point's emergence. Prior to the lightning acquiring McDonough I thought Tyler Johnson for Brodie might make sense for both teams.

Will be interesting to see what they do if they get bounced by the Bruins.

[flamesforcup]

I think Buffalo winning Dahlin cements that they wont trade ROR since they have a chance to compete now
(as much as i would love to acquire ROR)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by flamesforcup

I think Buffalo winning Dahlin cements that they wont trade ROR since they have a chance to compete now
(as much as i would love to acquire ROR)

Buffalo is still guide a ways off from competing. I don't think Dahlin makes them a PO team next year. It's too hard of a position, they still suck in goal as well.

[flamesforcup]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Buffalo is still guide a ways off from competing. I don't think Dahlin makes them a PO team next year. It's too hard of a position, they still suck in goal as well.

True. But if they can get solid goaltending i can see them making some noise as i expect Dahlin will be able to handle top 4 minutes this season.

[Oling_Roachinen]

For having no 'affiliation' with the Sabres, it seems like I always expect them to be on the upswing and they always let me down. But once again, I think they're trending towards making some noise sooner than later.

Eichels is a number #1 center.
O'Reilly is a strong number #2 center.
Okposo is a fine complimentary winger, just a bad contract.
Nylander and Reinhart still have potential, but even if Sam doesn't develop he's a 25-25 winger.

Mittelstadt was impressive throughout last year, was the best player for his University team despite being 18, lead the World Juniors in scoring with 11 points in 7 games, and topped it off with 5 points in 6 games for the Sabres.

And Pomminville provides a veteran presence for the short term while players like Rodrigues and Baptiste find their spots.

Dahlin's limit is sky high but even if he can be a solid 1B in the near future he'll stabilize the defense.
Ristolainen, at his peak is a high #1, but needs more consistency and positional awareness. As it stands now he's closer to a good PP specialist, second defenseman without consistency, being forced to play 30 minutes a game.
Scandella is fine as a second pairing defenseman but was playing over his head, if Dahlin steps in as a top pairing defenseman, their d looks to have a decent core.

Guhle, Olfoson, Pilut, if any of them workout as a top 4, the Sabres won't even need to worry about Bogosian bouncing back. McCabe would also be a strong bottom pairing defender.

I think their cap structure is terrible with O'Reilly, Okposo, Pomminville, Bogosian and Moulson taking up nearly infinity cap space, but they still have cap room.

They do need to solidify their goalie situation, but if they can manage that or Ullmark pulls through, they have the pieces to make some noise I believe.

Of course if Dahlin doesn't live up to expectation, Nylander completely busts, and Eichel keeps getting injured they'll be just as useless as they are now.

In any case, they're at the point where they have the pieces that will form their core in Eichel and Dahlin and friends, if they don't start winning with them they never will. They should be looking to cultivate a winning environment and not a continuous rebuild where the players get compliant like Edmonton. I don't see how moving O'Reilly helps them now.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

For having no 'affiliation' with the Sabres, it seems like I always expect them to be on the upswing and they always let me down. But once again, I think they're trending towards making some noise sooner than later.

Eichels is a number #1 center.
O'Reilly is a strong number #2 center.
Okposo is a fine complimentary winger, just a bad contract.
Nylander and Reinhart still have potential, but even if Sam doesn't develop he's a 25-25 winger.

Mittelstadt was impressive throughout last year, was the best player for his University team despite being 18, lead the World Juniors in scoring with 11 points in 7 games, and topped it off with 5 points in 6 games for the Sabres.

And Pomminville provides a veteran presence for the short term while players like Rodrigues and Baptiste find their spots.

Dahlin's limit is sky high but even if he can be a solid 1B in the near future he'll stabilize the defense.
Ristolainen, at his peak is a high #1, but needs more consistency and positional awareness. As it stands now he's closer to a good PP specialist, second defenseman without consistency, being forced to play 30 minutes a game.
Scandella is fine as a second pairing defenseman but was playing over his head, if Dahlin steps in as a top pairing defenseman, their d looks to have a decent core.

Guhle, Olfoson, Pilut, if any of them workout as a top 4, the Sabres won't even need to worry about Bogosian bouncing back. McCabe would also be a strong bottom pairing defender.

I think their cap structure is terrible with O'Reilly, Okposo, Pomminville, Bogosian and Moulson taking up nearly infinity cap space, but they still have cap room.

They do need to solidify their goalie situation, but if they can manage that or Ullmark pulls through, they have the pieces to make some noise I believe.

Of course if Dahlin doesn't live up to expectation, Nylander completely busts, and Eichel keeps getting injured they'll be just as useless as they are now.

In any case, they're at the point where they have the pieces that will form their core in Eichel and Dahlin and friends, if they don't start winning with them they never will. They should be looking to cultivate a winning environment and not a continuous rebuild where the players get compliant like Edmonton. I don't see how moving O'Reilly helps them now.

All this makes sense, but the two things that may determine whether RoR is a sabre or not is what is the return buffalo can get, and does RoR want to be a sabre?