[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

The UCP deferred the rise in electricity costs last year. This means that all of our bills are about to skyrocket, but she's blaming Trudeau for it before the bill comes due. There are no new federal policies on electricity production about to be announced.

You left out the part about why electricity costs went up leading to the rate cap.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I really love that angle but it just seems naïve to me. Those people only care about 'their' freedom, screw everyone else's. But ideally it's not naïve at all and I'm just the jaded one here

Yeah. The same people right now talking about freedom when it comes to vaccines, guns, school choice etc are the first to restrict/ban abortion, books, subjects in schools and sexuality issues.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The Green Party with just a few votes has managed to screw a bunch of ridings. Shandro may win because of them.

Meh, I don't think anyone should vote against the party they actually support just to avoid being a spoiler. Voting for the Green Party was a vote against the NDP and UCP equally. That vote is just as valid as any. People who support the Green Party should stick to their convictions and try to grow their vote every election if that is really what they believe in.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by nik-

Yeah, see I disagree. All he had was barbs. It's easy to throw shots and look clever when you know, and everyone knows, you're never going to matter.

Oh ####, wait...are you not being facetious?

My original joke was about Smith blaming cancer on patients. The idea that Jack Layton played the game and introduced his party's position into the mainstream, and gained traction, is impressive and respectable. Chalking it up and then dismissing it to the fact he knew he was dying and had nothing to lose is...well, diabolical.

Originally Posted by zamler

You've jumped the shark here.

I'm not sure that you know what that phrase means.

In spite of dire consequence he continued fighting for what he believed in. Appreciated in that respect doesn't it lend itself towards that idea of sacrifice?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Muta

Looking at the results in Calgary, the UCP just barely won many of the ridings they did. The NDP have made massive gains in Calgary.

Keep in mind that there are ridings in Calgary where the NDP barely won as well and that might be a result of "vote lending" from conservatives. The NDP is going to have to work hard to keep those votes and/or hope that the UCP continue to erode their support over the next four years. I like that much of Calgary is a toss up now because it makes politics and elections more interesting as compared to the one sided races in rural AB or Edmonton. Swing ridings hopefully mean that us Calgarians will see higher quality and more engaged candidates.

[btimbit]

I'll take the small victory of that absolute scumbag Shandro losing, hopefully Calgary can at least pull through on that one

[zamler]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It was literally in your response to me.

No the quote is another subject. Next time I'll make it a separate post as to not confuse you.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Meh, I don't think anyone should vote against the party they actually support just to avoid being a spoiler. Voting for the Green Party was a vote against the NDP and UCP equally. That vote is just as valid as any. People who support the Green Party should stick to their convictions and try to grow their vote every election if that is really what they believe in.

I sincerely doubt a Green voter is equally against the NDP versus the UCP. And the ridings where it made a difference were where the UCP candidate was particularly bad - Shandro, Rosin, etc.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by zamler

No the quote is another subject. Next time I'll make it a separate post as to not confuse you.

So the substance of your response to me was “no I don’t”. And the rest was news from an hour before. OK.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by GGG

That’s the catch 22 of it all. He would have needed a party with a seat or two and 10% of the vote like the Greg Clarke AP was. I agree that would be a better fit but then there would just be centrist and left vote splitting which you couldn’t win while doing. If you look at the support this election a lot of it was consolidating the AP support under the NDP.

We are in a two party system now so other than the Federal liberals post Trudeau I don’t see other options if he wants to get back into politics.

AB will likely remain a two party system for some time. But I think it's possible the names and identities of the two parties could change. Either the UCP or NDP could easily implode and be replaced by a new left or right party.

If Notley stepped down and they devolved into infighting, I could see the Alberta Party picking up the pieces.

And the UCP could easily see its coalition fracture where a big enough group gets upset and starts something else.

But on Nenshi specifically I think the federal Liberals post-Trudeau are the most likely.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So the substance of your response to me was “no I don’t”. And the rest was news from an hour before. OK.

Yes. You can't consider two points at the same time? lol. As I said next time I'll put a tag line that says, Hey Gio I'm going to talk about another subject now. Clear your mind.

[curves2000]

Calgary Bow looks to go to UCP Demetri which I believe would make this election the 1st loss for Druh Farrell after a 20 + career in city politics?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Calgary Bow looks to go to UCP Demetri which I believe would make this election the 1st loss for Druh Farrell after a 20 + career in city politics?

Yeah she was up by 200 but then an advance poll came in where it flipped by 800 votes for the ucp.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I sincerely doubt a Green voter is equally against the NDP versus the UCP. And the ridings where it made a difference were where the UCP candidate was particularly bad - Shandro, Rosin, etc.

You're probably right that the average Green voter wouldn't typically be as against the NDP as they would the UCP, but voting is black and white. You either support a party or you don't, and the people who chose to vote Green didn't support either enough in the election to change their vote. I am sure a lot of people with Green hearts did vote for the NDP though.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

I’m late to this party, but I’ll just add the comment that though some individual polls were a bit off, this result is pretty close to what the poll aggregate/average would have predicted. A lot of the polls seemed to congregate toward the end of the race on a single-digit UCP lead, and when all of the dust settles, my guess is that’s just about where this thing ends up.

In terms of seats, if all the current leads hold (some of them are very narrow) we are looking at 49 to 38. Bigger majority than I would have predicted, but not by all that much actually. Looks like the ANDP needed to find 6 more seats somewhere in Calgary, and in fact some were in striking distance (Bow, Northwest, North, Cross, for instance) were in striking distance—but … close doesn’t count. Lots were close the other way too—Shandro is currently losing by 7 votes.

This result does kind of show the road map for an NDP victory in Alberta. It’s not through rural areas, it’s via north and central Calgary.

[curves2000]

Are we looking at more of a 47 (UCP) 38 (NDP) split because 1 UCP MLA will be speaker and the other one maybe won't sit in caucus because of her comments about the trans children?

A majority for sure but nothing very comforting at all if we get some fracture in the party and we have pushback from the larger cities.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Are we looking at more of a 47 (UCP) 38 (NDP) split because 1 UCP MLA will be speaker and the other one maybe won't sit in caucus because of her comments about the trans children?

A majority for sure but nothing very comforting at all if we get some fracture in the party and we have pushback from the larger cities.

It’s as close to best case scenario as it could be for UCP looking at the polls pre election

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Well, that's a bit of an embarrassing result for the province, but not a surprising one.

How long do we think Smith lasts before the TBA overlords cast her aside? Doubt it's even halfway through her term

This was the first thing the media jumped on the minute it was clear Smith won. She isn’t going anywhere wishful thinking she deserves to steer this ship.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Yoho I hear you that you are UCP ride or die. But why are you so enamored with Smith. She squeaked out a leadership vote by being able to court a small percentage of the first round of voting and was helped by the ballot system in place. She ran a campaign where she lost seats and is easily the least likable premier I can recall among a huge portion of the voting populace. This is a province that for 50 years has overwhelmingly elected conservatives. If this is anything but a hollow victory I would be shocked.

This province is being led by rural Alberta and if you have ever spent time in rural Alberta you would realize why that isn't a good thing.

[Fuzz]

Just goes to show Albertans can't smell bull#### when their heads are buried in it. Not sure what it would take to get the forever blue fools to vote differently, but apparently Smith isn't even close to crazy enough to change their minds. Unreal.


At least one less Nixon is in charge. Stupid moron. I warned him he'd lose his seat if he didn't reject crazy, but he coddled up to it.