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View Poll Results: If you could vote on Super Tuesday who would you vote for?
Joe Biden 35 16.43%
Michael Bloomberg 14 6.57%
Pete Buttigieg 18 8.45%
Amy Klobucher 9 4.23%
Bernie Sanders 102 47.89%
Elizabeth Warren 23 10.80%
Other 12 5.63%
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Old 02-12-2020, 11:15 AM   #1101
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The president doesn't have the power to make the changes you think he can though. Running with absolute ideologies with no plan to actually get them passed is not going to help anyone or change anything.
Progressive voters will be coming for the other levels of government next and replacing the right wingers and centrists. It's a matter of time.
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Old 02-12-2020, 11:15 AM   #1103
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Count me as one of those people who are loving watching the mad scramble and panic from the conservative and centrist posters/media the closer Sanders gets to the nomination.
Cody kind of hits the nail on the head. It's 30 min long, so I don't actually expect people to watch it.

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Another narrative that amuses me is that Bernie “won’t get anything done” like the republicans are going to work with ANY democrat. Their obstructionism didn’t hurt them under Obama, why would they ever change? Unless Dems take the senate back nothing will happen period.

The level of terror in the liberal media is palpable. The big stories last night and today are how Pete was second and abusive boss Klobuchar came in third. I still firmly expect Bloomberg to get the nomination after the DNC and super delegates hand it to him but that’s going to be a loss. Intentionally putting your finger on the scale to spit in the eye of “the people” because of antiquated ideas about electability is going to cost the Dems big time IMO
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The president doesn't have the power to make the changes you think he can though. Running with absolute ideologies with no plan to actually get them passed is not going to help anyone or change anything.
Democrats never get anything done because they start negotiations by ceding ground right off the bat. Start from an uncompromising position and move inward with negotiation.

The fact medicare for all is now a mainstream idea in the party tells me Sanders has already made massive inroads in the ideological battle.
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Old 02-12-2020, 11:16 AM   #1106
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I like Bernie. I think he has a realistic chance of winning, but in the end I don't think he will. His chances of winning are much higher than his chances of getting any of his platform enacted as president though.

His midterm election will make the Tea Party swing look like people singing Kumbaya.
If he doesn't have the house or the Senate a lot of his policies won't get far.

He has fresh ideas, and seems willing to combat some of the bigger problems.
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Old 02-12-2020, 11:17 AM   #1107
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The thing is, I'm not even a dyed in the wool Bernie guy. I'd have been fine with Yang, Warren, or Steyer (even if they had no hope of winning), and I could probably live with Amy. Pete and Biden are just terrible candidates.
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Democrats never get anything done because they start negotiations by ceding ground right off the bat. Start from an uncompromising position and move inward with negotiation.

The fact medicare for all is now a mainstream idea in the party tells me Sanders has already made massive inroads in the ideological battle.
How is Medicare for all a mainstream idea, when Sanders is the only one running on it?
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Bernie wins because he can mobilize a legion of voters who feel disenfranchised by a system rigged against them. Young people and minorities will vote for change and Bernie represents that change.
There's no evidence that's actually happening.

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Bernie wins because he can mobilize a legion of voters who feel disenfranchised by a system rigged against them. Young people and minorities will vote for change and Bernie represents that change.

I'm the opposite of you. I don't see any way that Biden/Buttigieg can win because they don't offer any incentive to vote for them. Fox News will call any democrat a communist. Why try to cater to them?
Where is this so called mobilized legion? He barely won NH last night.
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The thing is, I'm not even a dyed in the wool Bernie guy. I'd have been fine with Yang, Warren, or Steyer (even if they had no hope of winning), and I could probably live with Amy. Pete and Biden are just terrible candidates.
If you were to switch Warren and Biden, and I'm in the same boat. Warren is frankly even harder to listen to than Pete is. I actually agree with Nik that if Bernie gets elected there's no way he gets most of what he wants to do through congress. But that doesn't change the hilarious slant of the discussion following him winning the first two, trying somehow to spin it as a loss because in a completely different race with multiple candidates and a totally different dynamic he didn't get the same vote share as 2016.

He's won 2 of 2 primaries so far. He's probably going to win South Carolina. This is going exactly according to plan for Sanders, and it's really not that complicated, so the punditry twisting themselves in knots to try to come to some other conclusion is farcical.
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How is Medicare for all a mainstream idea, when Sanders is the only one running on it?
Warren ran on it before flip flopping.



Last night's NH exit polls had support at 60% for abolishing health insurance and forming a single payer system.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...shire-primary/

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Another narrative that amuses me is that Bernie “won’t get anything done” like the republicans are going to work with ANY democrat. Their obstructionism didn’t hurt them under Obama, why would they ever change? Unless Dems take the senate back nothing will happen period.

The level of terror in the liberal media is palpable. The big stories last night and today are how Pete was second and abusive boss Klobuchar came in third. I still firmly expect Bloomberg to get the nomination after the DNC and super delegates hand it to him but that’s going to be a loss. Intentionally putting your finger on the scale to spit in the eye of “the people” because of antiquated ideas about electability is going to cost the Dems big time IMO
Bernie's ideas don't even get passed in if Dems hold both houses though, and I'm of the belief that the threat of Bernie lowers the chances of control of either or both houses. I think he'd create a lot of split tickets.

I don't think that last night was good at all for the far left. Sanders/Warren accounting for a third of the vote in a primary he won almost 2-1 last time does not create a good path for him going forward. With so many candidates still in and no one near 50% yet, these primaries are a lot more about looking with how the votes split than who eeks out a win. So far it is looking like 65/35 in favor of the moderates, so really nothing to be afraid of.
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Warren ran on it before flip flopping.



Last night's NH exit polls had support at 60% for abolishing health insurance and forming a single payer system.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...shire-primary/
Assuming that number translates nationally and to democrats that don't vote in primaries, does a divisive policy that only has 60% support of Democrats play well in a general election?
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A single-payer national healthcare system would be an enormous disaster in an economy the size of the United States. It just wouldn't scale. We can barely do it here in Canada.
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A single-payer national healthcare system would be an enormous disaster in an economy the size of the United States. It just wouldn't scale. We can barely do it here in Canada.
Yes and what does nationalized healthcare mean? In canada we only get procedures covered. We dont get drugs, dental, eyes or physio.
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I had no idea that Warren abandoned Medicare for All. She really didn't end up being what I had hoped in the end.

But at least she got all those sound bites of her grilling executives trending on twitter. Those consequence free sound bites. That's basically just as good.
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Old 02-12-2020, 12:38 PM   #1118
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I find the idea that Sanders is somehow unelectable weird. The US elections today are mostly about getting your people to vote, and Sanders tracks well in the groups the Democrats need to get to vote; young, poor and male. If the Dems can activate that crowd, they'll have a good chance.

The extent to which the current GoP hates socialist-Sanders sounds to me like it'll just make him more attractive to the Democratic voters.

I also don't see why the GoP would want to make the election about how Sanders is a socialist, because ultimately that's policy, and policy is Trumps biggest weakness. He doesn't want the election to be about issues, he wants it to be about personality. The more people scream about how Sanders is going to make real changes to the system, the more people will be interested in him. People don't care that much about details, and they clearly don't care about what something costs. What they want is for "someone to do something". That's why they voted for Trump and his idiotic wall.

Plus as many have already pointed out: the GoP calls every Democratic candidate a socialist anyway, and most people in the US (or elsewhere) have literally no idea what the word actually means.

Buttigieg is kind of the exact opposite, he tracks well in the groups that are likely to vote anyway, and on top of that he's gay, which likely is a complete non-starter for many catholic latinos and Christian blacks. It would also be really easy to paint him as the worst stereotype of a Democrat: just another establishment phony who only stands out because he's black female gay. Some minority anyway. Identity politics, yadda yadda, you know the drill.
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Deval Patrick dropped out of the Democratic Nomination race.

I didn't even realize he was in it.
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Yang's first comment to the press after ending his campaign sums up pretty well the state of the Democratic race "I can't believe I lost to these people."

https://theweek.com/articles/895350/...mpaign=twitter
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