[News] Confirmed: Johnny Gaudreau and brother Matt have passed away

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If a player suffers a career ending injury he continues to get paid, although the contract would be equally frustrated? Teams have to pay in that situation. I assume that the CBA provides otherwise, so the frustration concept would not be applicable. While the contract may no longer count in terms of cap and contract numbers in effect, the obligation of the team to honour the payments under it still exist.

The amount of insurance that a team actually carries would not affect how much money the estate will get, it will get the full value of his contract. Otherwise, if they chose to carry a lesser number, the estate would suffer.

I don’t think the player contract exists any more. Death usually ends a contract like these. The CBA would have to provide expressly that it continues.

EDIT: Regarding the fact that the contracts are guaranteed for injured players - it has to be a hockey related injury. If a player suffers a career ending injury form non-hockey activities, that’s technically a player default under the SPC and the player can be suspended or eventually terminated.

Neither the CBA or the SPC talk about death specifically (except that a player’s family gets 6 months of pension benefits after a player’s death if the player was active).

[Ryan Coke]

Death always sucks, just maybe some different levels of how badly.

This one just seem so pointless and tragic though. 2 people in their primes, young families, and a single jerk not only drives drunk, but drives incredibly aggressively and erratically while drunk and ends their lives.

I’m not one that feels the need to be angry, or to find someone to blame when something bad happens. But this one is just peak pointless.

I really feel for their families, the rest of their lives have been permanently altered.

[shogged]

gonna be another emotional day today. yesterday I was sad, I didn't want to believe it. Today I feel angry.. the senselessness of the tragedy, the loss felt by so many. Going to head down to the dome and surround myself with community.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don’t think the player contract exists any more. Death usually ends a contract like these. The CBA would have to provide expressly that it continues.

This would also be my read of the situation.

The Gaudreau family would have recourse through the driver's insurance company, their their own life insurance policies and if they chose to insure Johnny's earnings.

The CBA clearly spells out how injuries are treated and how death is treated. They are not the same. There is also a clear difference where contracts are paid out for work related injuries but not non-work related injuries.

For injuries:

A Player under an SPC who is disabled and unable to perform his duties as a hockey
Player by reason of an injury sustained during the course of his employment as a hockey Player,
including travel with his team or on business requested by his Club, shall be entitled to receive
his remaining Paragraph 1 Salary and Signing Bonuses due in accordance with the terms of his
SPC for the remaining stated term of his SPC as long as the said disability and inability to
perform continue but in no event beyond the expiration date of the fixed term of his SPC.

[renny]

I was numb most of yesterday. I started tearing up watching the video of Johnny and Mony hugging. You can tell they had so much love for each other. It reminded me of me and my best friend who was also taken away far too early.

I think of how empty I feel at times thinking about my best friend and that's how Sean must feel right now. Sean was looking forward to reuniting with Johnny, growing old together, having their kids grow together. But now that's not possible and it all could have been avoided.

It's so tragic and senseless, it's harder today than it was yesterday somehow. I'm grateful for having this outlet, I moved to Europe a few years ago and I really don't have anyone to grieve with over here.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

Let me just say, I think there's a time and place for discussions around bicycles and road safety but this thread was not the right place. I'm sorry for being insensitive when I thought this was unlikely to actually be Johnny, but it was still insensitive.

RIP Johnny and Matthew.

The few takes of your that didn't get deleted are atrociously bad, so I can't imagine what other dumb####ery you posted.

Pathetic victim blaming nonsense. Its pathetic and should feel bad. But sure, try to take the high road now.

[billybob123]

Apologies if this has already been posted. Today's Puckdoku is a great tribute to Johnny.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don’t think the player contract exists any more. Death usually ends a contract like these. The CBA would have to provide expressly that it continues.

EDIT: Regarding the fact that the contracts are guaranteed for injured players - it has to be a hockey related injury. If a player suffers a career ending injury form non-hockey activities, that’s technically a player default under the SPC and the player can be suspended or eventually terminated.

Neither the CBA or the SPC talk about death specifically (except that a player’s family gets 6 months of pension benefits after a player’s death if the player was active).

Let's say that player loses a leg due to a car accident. He will get paid, although the contract is frustrated, absent words in the contract to the contrary. The team still has an obligation to pay the player although the injury is non hockey related. You are talking about non-hockey injures which are specifically prohibited by contract.

Since we don't have the actual contract, here is what we do know.

The estate will get paid the full amount of the contract as the BJ's are on the hook for it. Contracts in the NHL are fully guaranteed unless the player is in breach of it. Non-hockey injuries would constitute a breach presumably if they were specifically prohibited by the contract. While the contract may be technically terminated in terms of cap and such, the obligation of the BJ's to pay presumably continues.

The Blue Jackets may or may not have had life insurance in effect for the amount of the contract, because they aren't required by the CBA to do so, just a lesser amount. Although the general practice according to Matt Read is that teams generally do, it's just prudent business. But if they don't, the estate still gets the full amount of Johnny's contract, because its not tied to insurance they they receive.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ThatNeverHappened

ThatNeverHappened

Yes it did, it was confirmed by FS. Stop trying to derail the thread with something so unimportant. Have some fn tact.

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I imagine the CBA specifies what the league is required to pay for, and that any additional insurance is paid for by the PA out of union dues.

I think the players on high contracts probably take out their own insurance to guaranty the contract, same as high net worth business owners. I heard one time that the type of insurance for that is about $100K per year but well worth the money.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Let's say that player loses a leg due to a car accident. He will get paid, although the contract is frustrated, absent words in the contract to the contrary. The team still has an obligation to pay the player although the injury is non hockey related. You are talking about non-hockey injures which are specifically prohibited by contract.

Since we don't have the actual contract, here is what we do know.

The estate will get paid the full amount of the contract as the BJ's are on the hook for it. Contracts in the NHL are fully guaranteed unless the player is in breach of it. Non-hockey injuries would constitute a breach presumably if they were specifically prohibited by the contract. While the contract may be technically terminated in terms of cap and such, the obligation of the BJ's to pay presumably continues.

The Blue Jackets may or may not have had life insurance in effect for the amount of the contract, because they aren't required by the CBA to do so, just a lesser amount. Although the general practice according to Matt Read is that teams generally do, it's just prudent business. But if they don't, the estate still gets the full amount of Johnny's contract, because its not tied to insurance they they receive.

Well said. It costs something like $150k usd annually to cover the entirety of an average teams’ contractual obligations for Accidental death and dismemberment in the NHL program they have set up league wide with insurance companies. I can’t imagine any team is not fully enrolled in that despite only being partially mandated to participate.

Had Johnny got injured bungee jumping, or took his own life by choice, the contract would possibly be void and uninsured; but that’s a different story than what occurred here.


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[cam_calderon]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

The few takes of your that didn't get deleted are atrociously bad, so I can't imagine what other dumb####ery you posted.

Pathetic victim blaming nonsense. Its pathetic and should feel bad. But sure, try to take the high road now.

What would you like me to do, build a time machine and take back my posts? I'm trying to be contrite and apologise. Or do I deserve 100 lashes or something? You are a moron.

[Sainters7]

I wore my Gaudreau jersey and rollerbladed to the Dome around 8 PM, was still a few dozen people present. Very touching, and powerful / emotional scene. Impossible not to cut onions.

Then I went blading all through the Elbow & Bow river pathways, got quite a few supportive comments, and even stopped a couple times to chat. Such a horrible incident, feels like the whole city is grieving, and really coming together in a cathartic way.

One nice aspect I noticed - at the start, I'm on an actual road bike lane (15th Ave) for a few blocks to get to the pathways. I'm always respectful and leave lots of room for cars to pass, which they carefully do. But last night in my jersey, they wouldn't come anywhere near me despite ample room, just drove slowly behind me at a good distance. I'm pretty sure I could've bladed down the middle of Macleod Trail last night, and vehicles would just go 20 km/h far behind me.

Hopefully this raised awareness about respectfully sharing the road with alternative modes of transport in designated areas sticks from this (and also raised DUI awareness), such a senseless tragedy. RIP Johnny and Matthew, it's still surreal.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by AC

https://www.instagram.com/p/C_VNIC_R...5jcDR1NXg3dmhr
https://www.instagram.com/p/C_VOITPx...VubXlyZWQyNQ==

Meredith's posts about Johnny.

Well that stirs the emotions. Glad to get a glimpse of the personal life side though.

[dissentowner]

Guys, can we not make this about posts in the past or differences of opinion that mean nothing? Let's not bicker in this thread of all threads.

[EVERLAST]

Sainters7

I would have rollerbladed down the red mile with you. Anyone else?

[STAMPEDRED]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yes it did, it was confirmed by FS. Stop trying to derail the thread with something so unimportant. Have some fn tact.

He fulfilled his contract. You have no business bringing up ‘his wife made him do this or that’. They are married - of course they’ll make decisions together. Just because you’re still bent out of shape that he fulfilled his contract and made a life decision to sign with another team doesn’t give you any reason to go off on ‘his wife made him do this’. You’re the one who is completely heartless. She just lost the love of her life, father of their 2 children - both under 2 years old - guess what - life has to continue on for their newborn - as brutal as what’s she’s going through, she has 2 essentially babies that fully require her complete care and attention. And her husband just got brutally killed. Take your ‘facts’ and shove them.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Let's say that player loses a leg due to a car accident. He will get paid, although the contract is frustrated, absent words in the contract to the contrary. The team still has an obligation to pay the player although the injury is non hockey related. You are talking about non-hockey injures which are specifically prohibited by contract.

Since we don't have the actual contract, here is what we do know.

The estate will get paid the full amount of the contract as the BJ's are on the hook for it. Contracts in the NHL are fully guaranteed unless the player is in breach of it. Non-hockey injuries would constitute a breach presumably if they were specifically prohibited by the contract. While the contract may be technically terminated in terms of cap and such, the obligation of the BJ's to pay presumably continues.

The Blue Jackets may or may not have had life insurance in effect for the amount of the contract, because they aren't required by the CBA to do so, just a lesser amount. Although the general practice according to Matt Read is that teams generally do, it's just prudent business. But if they don't, the estate still gets the full amount of Johnny's contract, because its not tied to insurance they they receive.

We do have the actual contract. SPFs can't be varied.

[CalgaryFan1988]

https://www.si.com/onsi/breakaway/ne...dreau-days-ago

Sean Monahan Talked 'Best Friend' Johnny Gaudreau Just Days Ago


Feel so bad for Sean too, was looking forward to the reunion in Columbus.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

The few takes of your that didn't get deleted are atrociously bad, so I can't imagine what other dumb####ery you posted.

Pathetic victim blaming nonsense. Its pathetic and should feel bad. But sure, try to take the high road now.

Originally Posted by cam_calderon

What would you like me to do, build a time machine and take back my posts? I'm trying to be contrite and apologise. Or do I deserve 100 lashes or something? You are a moron.

Originally Posted by STAMPEDRED

He fulfilled his contract. You have no business bringing up ‘his wife made him do this or that’. They are married - of course they’ll make decisions together. Just because you’re still bent out of shape that he fulfilled his contract and made a life decision to sign with another team doesn’t give you any reason to go off on ‘his wife made him do this’. You’re the one who is completely heartless. She just lost the love of her life, father of their 2 children - both under 2 years old - guess what - life has to continue on for their newborn - as brutal as what’s she’s going through, she has 2 essentially babies that fully require her complete care and attention. And her husband just got brutally killed. Take your ‘facts’ and shove them.

Welp, looks like a lot of you have moved into the "anger" phase of grieving.

I actually understand this, just try not to do or say anything you'll regret.