[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Sure, but if the Flames are continuously unable to land top flight talent behind the bench then the organization needs to ask itself why.

Could be as much to do with location as anything else. The travel schedule for western canadian teams means way more nights on the road and practices in other cities ... as compared to eastern conference teams or even now southern california with 4 teams in a quick jaunt of each other.

Oh, and you just have to look out the window today for the other reason ...

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think the guy would be in trouble if he fired Gulutzan and hired any coach that didn't work out shortly thereafter.

It's not held with just the Peters hire.

If Sutter is hired and proven to be behind the times (Stevens ran all the practices in L.A. from what I understand), or if Vigneault is hired and has the same reaction from Calgary fans that he seemed to generate from Ranger fans then he's equally made a mistake.

His call to make though ... don't think it comes down to easy vs hard, it's right vs wrong.

Yeah either way Treliving will be in trouble if this team falters.

If he goes out and pays the required 3-4 year contract, with $3M+ salary that those coaches likely require and the team falls flat on it's face then he will be the one that faces the music and the coach would outlast him for sure.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

As much as I would like AV or Sutter I'm not sure how realistic it is.

Personally I don't see D.Sutter coming back to this organization - I don't think the relationship with King and the ownership group ended all that well.

AV would be ideal but he's the type of guy who can pick his own shot. Does he want to come to Calgary...or would he rather see what happens with say a team like Washington or Anaheim if they lose out in the first round?

Honestly I think Peters may be the best of the rest that are available right now...with Trotz being the other dark horse (rumors that Ownership wanted to pry him out of Nashville in the past) if Washington does lose out here.

Yeah, if Tippett was out as people speculate due to the potential power struggle or threat to BT, then Sutter may well be out for the same reason of BT self preservation. Sutter was the coach here and did become GM after all.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Sure, but if the Flames are continuously unable to land top flight talent behind the bench then the organization needs to ask itself why.

Maybe it's weather - even Sutter loved living in LA. Maybe it's a non "Big City" perception (AV has only head coached in large cities - Vancouver was the smallest). Maybe he wants a cup right away. The constant on-line comments about personal traits, intelligence, demands for firings about a month into the job, etc. for the present coach can't help.

AV has had a job in the most and least demanding Canadian cities so he has a sense of the demands of the job and the community pressure. He makes $4M per year now (and $.25 in the last year) to do nothing. Depending on his contract, he might therefore have to make a lot more than that to even make it worth his while to coach in Calgary.

After him, and Sutter, who's comfortable too, what "top flight talent" are the Flames missing out on? It strikes me that they sought and got Sutter, he then hired his brother. Salary wasn't an issue there. Playfair was a pretty typical promote from within deal. Keenan was a Sutter choice from his previous contacts. Hartley was a Feaster choice. When GG was hired a lot of people were saying "no retreads" to guys like Boudreau.

I guess my point is that there's a lot of reading into things that's going on here.

[Erick Estrada]

If the Flames really have an offer to Peters (speculation at this point), wouldn't it be prudent to fire Gulutzan? IMO if you are looking to upgrade at the position it's probably a sign you should do that regardless of Peters accepting. The sooner Gulutzan is fired the sooner he can start looking around for his next job whether it be as an assistant or head coach capacity somewhere.

[PugnaciousIntern]

When GG was hired, didn't BT make a point of saying that he was the 'only one that they interviewed'? Or was that BB speaking about BT's hire?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by PugnaciousIntern

When GG was hired, didn't BT make a point of saying that he was the 'only one that they interviewed'? Or was that BB speaking about BT's hire?

No. The search was actually the most extensive from the Flames in a while. Eakins, Carlyle, Yeo, off the top of my head were interviewed but there was a few more I think.

[Toonage]

That was Burke referring to Treliving. The Flames interviewed several candidates for the HC position.

[djsFlames]

Bill Peters that has led Carolina to several mediocre non-playoff seasons?

I like the way Carolina plays when they're clicking but they can't ramp it up when it matters, just like with GG. And don't score a lot of goals.

How about we go in a different direction BT. Like a winning one.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Per-82 game averages

Eric Staal 2 years before Bill Peters
25.2 G
48.4 A
73.6 P

Eric Staal 2 years under Bill Peters
19.3 G
31.6 A
50.9 P

Eric Staal 2 years after Bill Peters
35.0 G
35.5 A
70.5 P

If Bennett is going to break out post-Gulutzan, I doubt it'd be under Bill Peters. And getting more out of Bennett (among others) is the foremost reason to fire Gulutzan.

I admit sometimes you need to play a responsible style, but Peters seems like another in a long line of coaches who overcoach the offense out of good players. We've already got one of those.

Well...

Teuvo Teravainen Per-82 game averages:

Under Quenneville
12.1 G
19.3 A
31.4 P

Under Peters
19.1 G
34.2 A
53.3 P

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If the Flames really have an offer to Peters (speculation at this point), wouldn't it be prudent to fire Gulutzan? IMO if you are looking to upgrade at the position it's probably a sign you should do that regardless of Peters accepting. The sooner Gulutzan is fired the sooner he can start looking around for his next job whether it be as an assistant or head coach capacity somewhere.

Flames don't have to do that because if they fire him his contract is still valid so he will be getting paid by the Flames still until his contract expires or he gets a new job somewhere else, he just wouldn't be coaching the team anymore.

At least that's how I understand it.

[dissentowner]

I can't see BT firing GG and hiring and even bigger losing coach in Peter's. At least Gully in his two seasons here made the playoffs once. I would rather keep Gully than hire the same type of coach with years of no success at all.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

No. The search was actually the most extensive from the Flames in a while. Eakins, Carlyle, Yeo, off the top of my head were interviewed but there was a few more I think.

I believe Caps assistant Todd Reirdan was a finalist for the job.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by 868904

Ugh, if this Peters things is true, it's disappointing.

Tre, we get it, you are smart, you have good genes, sometimes you make great trades, you are hard working. We get it, you are smarter than us, you don't have to go out and prove it with your coaching hires.

It's ok to just take the easy choice and hire the proven coach.

This is insanely risky for Treliving if true. If this coach fails too, he's done. If he hires a Sutter or AV and they fail, well it's on the players.

This makes no sense. Certain coaches, for some arbitrary reason, get a pass while others take the blame??

When a team fails, it's the team that fails. The players and the coach, not one or the other. Assigning this years failure to GG, for example, would be nothing short of incredibly shortsighted.

[cross16]

I find this interesting when you look at Peters vs AV and the idea that 1 isn't a winner but 1 is.

AV was a sub .500 coach with the Habs for 3 seasons and then fired in his 4th after a 5-10-2 start where the Habs were behind 2 expansion teams. Common theme was not great goaltending. Goes to Van/NY, get's 2 Hall of Fame play level goalies and now he is a winner and an elite coach.

Not that they are the same obviously, just an interesting look at the story behind the coach I think.

[Nsd1]

https://twitter.com/user/status/985938224035057664

[taco.vidal]

I dont know much about Peters since I havent watched any Canes games. But reading about him this morning doesnt get me very excited about the Flames potentially hiring him.
We had a proven coach in Hartley. Hartley’s time had run out and you make a change and take a risk on an unproven guy like GuleGun. Gluegun fails miserably and you go for a guy like Peters? I dont see the logic in that.
And that Lack incident, thats embarassing for Peters. Thats behaving like a child, not a professional coach.
I really hope the Flames dont hire this guy.

[dfsflamesfan]

Originally Posted by cross16

I find this interesting when you look at Peters vs AV and the idea that 1 isn't a winner but 1 is.

AV was a sub .500 coach with the Habs for 3 seasons and then fired in his 4th after a 5-10-2 start where the Habs were behind 2 expansion teams. Common theme was not great goaltending. Goes to Van/NY, get's 2 Hall of Fame play level goalies and now he is a winner and an elite coach.

Not that they are the same obviously, just an interesting look at the story behind the coach I think.

Isn’t it interesting that he had: Luongo, Schneider, Lundqvist, Raanta, and Talbot?

Are both those teams able to draft these highly touted goalies that well or is he a good coach with a good system that helps goaltenders out? Chicken and egg kind of situation, but some food for thought.

[SuperMatt18]

Peters is interesting is that he seems to be a decent PK coach, but his PP in Carolina has left something to be desired.

He managed the PK in his 3 seasons as an assistant in Detroit and they were a middle of the pack PK finishing between 12th and 17th in those 3 years.

Then in Carolina the PK was a lot better heading into this season, but the PP has struggled.

14/15: PP-13th PK-4th
15/16: PP-24th PK-6th
16/17: PP-21st PK- 6th
17/18: PP-22nd PK-24th (3rd worst PK Sv Pct in the league)

If you sign Peters just make sure they get an assistant that has a good history of coaching the PP, not like when they hired Cameron and got a guy with a terrible history of bad PPs.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by dfsflamesfan

Isn’t it interesting that he had: Luongo, Schneider, Lundqvist, Raanta, and Talbot?

Are both those teams able to draft these highly touted goalies that well or is he a good coach with a good system that helps goaltenders out? Chicken and egg kind of situation, but some food for thought.

Their success after, and especially before, him coaching would suggest that they are just a group of great tenders. However I agree, he does seem to be associated with some great goaltending performances in the last decade