2017 Grey Cup

[CliffFletcher]

The decisive plays were all mental mistakes by Stamps.

Campbell shows poor judgement by trying to be the hero and going for a pick instead of playing the man.

Jorden shows poor judgement by trying to be the hero and going for a TD when he has the reception and first down.

Dickenson shows poor judgement by trying to be the hero and calling passing plays when he didn't need to.

BLM shows poor judgement by trying to be the hero and throwing the deep ball into double coverage.

See any pattern there?

[kevman]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

See any pattern there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBwS66EBUcY

[CaptainCrunch]

There are rumblings that he does want to get a shot at the NFL while he's still at an age where he can do it.

[MotoRacer]

Jorden you duffle

[chummer]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The decisive plays were all mental mistakes by Stamps.

Campbell shows poor judgement by trying to be the hero and going for a pick instead of playing the man.

Jorden shows poor judgement by trying to be the hero and going for a TD when he has the reception and first down.

Dickenson shows poor judgement by trying to be the hero and calling passing plays when he didn't need to.

BLM shows poor judgement by trying to be the hero and throwing the deep ball into double coverage.

See any pattern there?

Well if one of those guys is a hero it's game over.
When the Stamps were inside the Toronto 10 they probably had a 90% chance of winning the game. Everything had to go right for the Argo's and it did.

Tough loss but oh well move on.

[Frequitude]

Still too sad/mad to post about the game. Will summarize something later.

Regarding Bo and the NFL he answered the question directly in his pre-game interview with Dunnigan. He said yes he would like to one day, that he and Dickenson had talked about it, but that it wouldn't be this off season because a) his arm injury would prevent him from impressing anyone, and b) its a contract year coming up.

[Manhattanboy]

What annoys me most about the CFL is that they allow weather to be a factor in the playoffs. Move the goddam season up three weeks or a month already. I would likely buy season tickets. I have no interest in the better than even odds of freezing my ass off in the stands for the Western Final.

Its a joke that an entire season can come down to who can best execute in the snow.

Or hold the Grey Cup indoors in Vancouver every year.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Ok this is starting to get posted a lot now.

This wasn't just luck or a fluke Toronto won. They put up 27 points. You don't get to blame bad plays on the Stamps or good plays by the argos as luck. That's football.

Throwing a 100 yard touchdown is good execution. Not luck. Fumbling and snapping it over your punters head is bad execution. Picking up the fumble and running it back for a TD is good execution. Causing the fumble in the first place is good execution. How about stopping Toronto when it mattered when they marched down the field to win the game? Was that luck?

You could possibly argue the Stamps were the better team but even then, if you put up lots of yards but don't execute and score the points, are you really better? Or could you just not execute when it mattered?

Luck has a lot to do with every game. The Stamps did a lot of things right and were unlucky in the sense that one mistake ended up being so costly.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Luck has a lot to do with every game. The Stamps did a lot of things right and were unlucky in the sense that one mistake ended up being so costly.

Yeah sure, I never said otherwise. But the Argos win wasn't pure luck like the poster I responded to said. Stamps were lucky with a few things too. We just don't talk about those because they lost.

And it was a lot more than just one mistake. More like 3 or 4.

[transplant99]

Straight facts from the game..

Calgary threw for more yards.

Calgary ran for more yards (by a mile...Argos gained 16 yds on the ground)

Calgary scored more points on offense.

Calgary gave up fewer points on defense.


Calgary lost the turnover battle and gave up 9 points while on offense...and that is what decided the football game.

The Stamps were the better team in every facet except the scoreboard which is the ultimate decider. It really isn't even debatable.

[White Out 403]

I'm sure there's a lovely runner up prize awaiting them, transplant99. Mistakes matter. Calgary made more than Toronto. It cost the the game and Toronto was well deserving. I understand the frustration (believe me as a Bomber fan I know a thing or two about disappointment) but there's nothing to be gained by ####ting all over the Argos.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Straight facts from the game..

Calgary threw for more yards.

Calgary ran for more yards (by a mile...Argos gained 16 yds on the ground)

Calgary scored more points on offense.

Calgary gave up fewer points on defense.


Calgary lost the turnover battle and gave up 9 points while on offense...and that is what decided the football game.

The Stamps were the better team in every facet except the scoreboard which is the ultimate decider. It really isn't even debatable.

Well yeah, that's why no one is debating it.

But it has to make you wonder, when a team dominates the stat categories like that and still finds ways to screw it up by making multiple poor decisions, both players and coaches, and fails to close out what should have been a second consecutive easy GC win, who is to blame?

Is it overconfidence? Bad coaching? Poor player attitudes?

Bit weird though you say they were better in every facet but acknowledge they lost the turnover battle. That's one of the key facets and predictors of success and one of the most important statistical categories.

Otherwise they'd award the game based on total yards. But they don't. You have to score or it means nothing.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Well yeah, that's why no one is debating it.

But it has to make you wonder, when a team dominates the stat categories like that and still finds ways to screw it up by making multiple poor decisions, both players and coaches, and fails to close out what should have been a second consecutive easy GC win, who is to blame?

Is it overconfidence? Bad coaching? Poor player attitudes?

except someone definately is.

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Toronto played better. They made the big plays. They won and deserved it.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

touche.

[kevman]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

I'm sure there's a lovely runner up prize awaiting them, transplant99. Mistakes matter. Calgary made more than Toronto. It cost the the game and Toronto was well deserving. I understand the frustration (believe me as a Bomber fan I know a thing or two about disappointment) but there's nothing to be gained by ####ting all over the Argos.

Go away. There's lots to be gained by ####ting over the Argos. That's what fans do. Let them grieve. What are you trying to accomplish by beating your chest in this thread?

[Sainters7]

Am I the only one that thinks Bo has no shot at sticking in the NFL? Absolutely love the guy as a leader on our team and he's talented, but his skill doesn't exactly blow my socks off. I feel like I've seen much more talented CFL QB's going south for a shot and it not working out. Good on him for trying if he does, but I'd expect him to be back here in short order.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Am I the only one that thinks Bo has no shot at sticking in the NFL? Absolutely love the guy as a leader on our team and he's talented, but his skill doesn't exactly blow my socks off. I feel like I've seen much more talented CFL QB's going south for a shot and it not working out. Good on him for trying if he does, but I'd expect him to be back here in short order.

Dickenson has encouraged Bo to give it a shot. He knows what it takes if anyone in Bo's life does.

The one thing about regrets I have learned and am learning is...its not regretting what you did/have done, but way more so regretting what you don't/didn't do.

If he feels he needs to give it a try and has the opportunity, he should do it.

Some of his attributes certainly translate to the NFL, but in the end i agree. I think he will have a hard time with other parts which will ultimately see him struggle at the highest level.

[calf]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Am I the only one that thinks Bo has no shot at sticking in the NFL? Absolutely love the guy as a leader on our team and he's talented, but his skill doesn't exactly blow my socks off. I feel like I've seen much more talented CFL QB's going south for a shot and it not working out. Good on him for trying if he does, but I'd expect him to be back here in short order.

I completely agree. Dickenson, Ray, Burris - all great CFL quarterbacks, none able to make it stick. Nothing has really changed in that regard; I'd say it's probably even tougher now to make the NFL from here as a QB. When healthy he has good arm strength and good accuracy, but not NFL quality. I think think he has to take the shot - it would be like a Canadian kid ending up playing hockey in Europe and having a shot to play in the NHL though...that's your dream, you have to take it if the opportunity arises, no matter how much you love playing here and being the star.

[CroFlames]

Of course BLM should give the NFL a shot if there is an opportunity. A solid season the the NFL can set you up for life financially.

I don't think Bo can be an effective NFL quarterback though. Is his camp talking to any NFL club?

I hope he stays in Calgary and after bitter, bitter defeat, a dynasty is born.

[dirk diggler]

do you think a guy like Singleton would get a shot in the NFL? or is he not big enough, he certainly has wheels.