2017 Grey Cup

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

This team is built for long-term success.

In the regular season. They can't handle the pressure in the post season.

Don't forget Dickenson also cost us a couple of playoff games BEFORE he became the head coach and was our offensive coordinator.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Good. Take him and his idiotic play calling with him. I hope we play against him in the grey cup! I called him out all year on his pathetic play calling. He even got a 2nd chance in this game. He'll never learn and i can't really blame him as he prob has massive CTE from his playing days.

I don't care if he went 36-0 in the regular season. None of that matters.

This team just choked away 2 grey cups. We need some major changes. Next year the grey cup is in Edmonton. So a high chance of bad weather once again.

Defence can stay the same. They weren't a problem. Our QB and special teams isnt' a problem.

Out with Dickenson, Messam, MacDaniel, Parker, and Jorden. And probably Buckley too.

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

In the regular season. They can't handle the pressure in the post season.

Make too many stupid over reactionary changes and what we will have left is a team that will have to fluke it's way into Grey Cup wins instead of a team that has to choke it's way out of them.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

No one is getting fired over this. Argos should just thank Jorden and savor a fluke Grey Cup.

Ottawa last year at least played well. Argos points were 6 from a long throw, 2 off safety, 6 off fumble recovery. Half their points are luck/fluke.

This team is built for long-term success. Once they win one, I can see multiple wins afterwards. Bo will still be there and looks like Singelton will be there to anchor the D as well.

It sucks but at least the Eskimos or the Riders didn't win.

2 years of bitterness will only make the next one that much more sweeter.

Ok this is starting to get posted a lot now.

This wasn't just luck or a fluke Toronto won. They put up 27 points. You don't get to blame bad plays on the Stamps or good plays by the argos as luck. That's football.

Throwing a 100 yard touchdown is good execution. Not luck. Fumbling and snapping it over your punters head is bad execution. Picking up the fumble and running it back for a TD is good execution. Causing the fumble in the first place is good execution. How about stopping Toronto when it mattered when they marched down the field to win the game? Was that luck?

You could possibly argue the Stamps were the better team but even then, if you put up lots of yards but don't execute and score the points, are you really better? Or could you just not execute when it mattered?

[White Out 403]

I'm so sick of Canadians crapping on the CFL in the name of the NFL. Honestly, move to ####ing America.

[Weitz]

I found it hilarious that McDaniel was talking about Jorden in the media, when on that play he gave up on chasing down the Argo. He could have stopped him on the cut back around the 10 yard line if he had not given up. Had he gotten him who knows what would have happened.

I don't like putting everything down to one play because it one play doesn't lose you the game. There was still tons of time left on the clock. They still could have stopped him on the run back. Could have stopped the Offense from marching down and kicking the field goal. BLM didn't have to telegraph his throw into double coverage to end the game. Shouldn't have taken a stupid special teams penalty resulting in a safety. Tommi makes a tackle instead of a poor attempt at an interception leading to the 100 yard TD. To put it all on the fumble isn't fair IMO.

[DiracSpike]

Thank goodness have calm logical Huf running this team and not reactionary fans.

Full disclosure, I'm good buddies with Buckley so I'm pretty biased on him but he deserves to be on this team. People rag on him for the play last year but he did the smart play, saw there was no one open and ate the ball. He could've forced in a pick and then the stamps wouldn't have even seen OT, like BLM this year. He looked good in warm weather games, bad in cold weather games where the rest of the team didn't give a ####. The truth is somehwere in the middle.

Part of what's made these back to back losses so painful is I want so bad for my friend to have a ring, and he keeps getting robbed of it.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

I'm so sick of Canadians crapping on the CFL in the name of the NFL. Honestly, move to ####ing America.

I'll never understand the losers who do this. "I care so little about the CFL let me post in a forum about how much I don't care".

Sweet. Let the rest of us talk about our local league and teams and you can go cheer for the Patriots or Steelers or whatever bandwagon front-running team you cheer for.

[CaptainCrunch]

I've had a bit of time to calm my jets after this loss.

To me this was a lot like a Mike Tyson/Buster Douglas Fight.

The Stamps were all over the Argo's offensively and defensively throughout the whole game. However to give the Argo's credit, the Stamps couldn't land that knockout punch, and the Argo's did.

In terms of that last drive by the Stamps. Brilliantly called and played until that last play with the interception.

I get why DD would want to take a shot at the endzone, but I disagree with the call. I know I'm only an amateur coach. But conventional wisdom is if your going to take your shot at the end zone you do it on first down when your passing/playcalling options are a lot more open. As it stands the Argo's dropped everyone and bought safety help to the deepest route. That lead to the pick.

For me, I probably would have thrown on first down looking for the sidelines to stop the clock, and if I got a first down, I would go back to that outside route again. If I didn't get the first down, I would have run a dive up the middle or even a search or stretch to center the ball. Then happily kicked a field goal and played for overtime since the Argo's weren't all that good at stopping the Stamps in this game.

so what changes are coming?

I think there will be changes, I would expect that Claybrooks will be looking for a head coaches slot. I will say, that I'm not his biggest fan. He's lousy at making adjustments. When the Argo's came out on the double tight end set, he couldn't make adjustments til after the Argo's scored, he always seems to be behind.

I think that Jordan and Parker are on the chopping block. Jordan for all of his skills has bad hands, and Parker is just too on and off.

I do believe that there will be a serious discussion between Bo and management about giving him an opportunity to try the NFL with a gentlemen's agreement that he comes back to the Stamps if it doesn't work out.

I would like the Stamps to get a better quarterbacking option behind Mitchell as well.

There are 22 FA's for the Stamps this year, and they can't afford to bring them all back. Here's the list

Josh Bell
Rob Cote
Jerome Messam
William Langlais
Anthony Parker
Lemar Durant
Cam Thorn
Dan Federkeil
Ciante Evans
Davaris Daniels
Quinn Smith
Cordero Law
Pierre Lavertu
Joe Burnett
Ja'Gared Davis
Mike Klassen
Derek Wiggan
Deron Mayo
Pierre-Luc Caron
Jamar Wall
Roman Grozman
Rob Maver?

The ones in bold probably won't be back for age or dollar reasons, Daniels will get a serious NFL look. Messam was brilliant in the playoffs, but he's 33 years old

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Ok this is starting to get posted a lot now.

This wasn't just luck or a fluke Toronto won. They put up 27 points. You don't get to blame bad plays on the Stamps or good plays by the argos as luck. That's football.

Throwing a 100 yard touchdown is good execution. Not luck. Fumbling and snapping it over your punters head is bad execution. Picking up the fumble and running it back for a TD is good execution. Causing the fumble in the first place is good execution. How about stopping Toronto when it mattered when they marched down the field to win the game? Was that luck?

You could possibly argue the Stamps were the better team but even then, if you put up lots of yards but don't execute and score the points, are you really better? Or could you just not execute when it mattered?

The Stamps were clearly the better team last night. In a one off game luck does come into account. Stamps didn't get any lucky breaks on there drives and scores, those were 3 impressive drives to Argos one impressive drive.

It's lucky when you kick the ball only to a have to kick again and this time the snapper overshoots the punter and goes for 2 points. It's lucky that Jorden is a moron and didn't protect the ball and it went the other way for 6 points.

The game was going to become an 11-16 point game had he not turned the ball over instead it was a tie. If you don't think that's lucky then not sure what to tell you. 15 point game to a tie game, luck off a stupid player.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I get why DD would want to take a shot at the endzone, but I disagree with the call. I know I'm only an amateur coach. But conventional wisdom is if your going to take your shot at the end zone you do it on first down when your passing/playcalling options are a lot more open. As it stands the Argo's dropped everyone and bought safety help to the deepest route. That lead to the pick.

BLM claiming he saw Black and still didn't look him off, but telegraphing and throwing to his receiver, then under throwing the ball... That pick is all on BLM and his poor play on that play.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

The Stamps were clearly the better team last night. In a one off game luck does come into account. Stamps didn't get any lucky breaks on there drives and scores, those were 3 impressive drives to Argos one impressive drive.

It's lucky when you kick the ball only to a have to kick again and this time the snapper overshoots the punter and goes for 2 points. It's lucky that Jorden is a moron and didn't protect the ball and it went the other way for 6 points.

The game was going to become an 11-16 point game had he not turned the ball over instead it was a tie. If you don't think that's lucky then not sure what to tell you. 15 point game to a tie game, luck off a stupid player.

Ok so to be clear, when your team screws up it's luck. When the other team plays good, also luck. Seems like a foolproof way to rationalize losses.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I've had a bit of time to calm my jets after this loss.

To me this was a lot like a Mike Tyson/Buster Douglas Fight.

The Stamps were all over the Argo's offensively and defensively throughout the whole game. However to give the Argo's credit, the Stamps couldn't land that knockout punch, and the Argo's did.

In terms of that last drive by the Stamps. Brilliantly called and played until that last play with the interception.

I get why DD would want to take a shot at the endzone, but I disagree with the call. I know I'm only an amateur coach. But conventional wisdom is if your going to take your shot at the end zone you do it on first down when your passing/playcalling options are a lot more open. As it stands the Argo's dropped everyone and bought safety help to the deepest route. That lead to the pick.

For me, I probably would have thrown on first down looking for the sidelines to stop the clock, and if I got a first down, I would go back to that outside route again. If I didn't get the first down, I would have run a dive up the middle or even a search or stretch to center the ball. Then happily kicked a field goal and played for overtime since the Argo's weren't all that good at stopping the Stamps in this game.

so what changes are coming?

I think there will be changes, I would expect that Claybrooks will be looking for a head coaches slot. I will say, that I'm not his biggest fan. He's lousy at making adjustments. When the Argo's came out on the double tight end set, he couldn't make adjustments til after the Argo's scored, he always seems to be behind.

I think that Jordan and Parker are on the chopping block. Jordan for all of his skills has bad hands, and Parker is just too on and off.

I do believe that there will be a serious discussion between Bo and management about giving him an opportunity to try the NFL with a gentlemen's agreement that he comes back to the Stamps if it doesn't work out.

I would like the Stamps to get a better quarterbacking option behind Mitchell as well.

There are 22 FA's for the Stamps this year, and they can't afford to bring them all back. Here's the list

Josh Bell
Rob Cote
Jerome Messam
William Langlais
Anthony Parker
Lemar Durant
Cam Thorn
Dan Federkeil
Ciante Evans
Davaris Daniels
Quinn Smith
Cordero Law
Pierre Lavertu
Joe Burnett
Ja'Gared Davis
Mike Klassen
Derek Wiggan
Deron Mayo
Pierre-Luc Caron
Jamar Wall
Roman Grozman
Rob Maver?

The ones in bold probably won't be back for age or dollar reasons, Daniels will get a serious NFL look. Messam was brilliant in the playoffs, but he's 33 years old

Is it known that Messam isn't coming back? Or projection?

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

There are 22 FA's for the Stamps this year, and they can't afford to bring them all back. Here's the list

Josh Bell
Rob Cote
Jerome Messam
William Langlais
Anthony Parker
Lemar Durant
Cam Thorn
Dan Federkeil
Ciante Evans
Davaris Daniels
Quinn Smith
Cordero Law
Pierre Lavertu
Joe Burnett
Ja'Gared Davis
Mike Klassen
Derek Wiggan
Deron Mayo
Pierre-Luc Caron
Jamar Wall
Roman Grozman
Rob Maver?

The ones in bold probably won't be back for age or dollar reasons, Daniels will get a serious NFL look. Messam was brilliant in the playoffs, but he's 33 years old

Josh Bell - Move on from him, give the job to Tunde. He earned it.
Rob Cote - Time for Cote to retire, there are younger FB options already on the roster.
Jerome Messam - He played well in the playoffs, but he's 33 and slower then ever. Move on.
William Langlais - Should be easy to bring back if he wants to be here.
Anthony Parker - He's do done, Grey Cup he was a no show. Brescasin was much better.
Lemar Durant - Hoping for a big year from him next year.
Cam Thorn - Should be easy to bring back if he wants to be here.
Dan Federkeil - He will be back just like last year, they might wait to sign him.
Ciante Evans - Must sign, might get NFL looks.
Davaris Daniels - He showed up in the Grey Cup, might get NFL looks as well.
Quinn Smith - Huff has been loyal to him so can't see him leaving.
Cordero Law - Depending on the cost he might look elsewhere.
Pierre Lavertu - Move on.
Joe Burnett - Move on.
Ja'Gared Davis - Important re-signing.
Mike Klassen - Should be easy to bring back if he wants to be here.
Derek Wiggan - Really improved, key starter.
Deron Mayo
Pierre-Luc Caron - Should be easy to bring back if he wants to be here.
Jamar Wall - Time to look elsewhere, he was very slow this year.
Roman Grozman - Will he play again.
Rob Maver - Should be brought back.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Is it known that Messam isn't coming back? Or projection?

Estimation on my part.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Ok so to be clear, when your team screws up it's luck. When the other team plays good, also luck. Seems like a foolproof way to rationalize losses.

Answer one question, ignoring the score (i'm sure you'll use this argument since the Argos had more points they were the better team).

Which team played better yesterday and should've won the cup?

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Answer one question, ignoring the score (i'm sure you'll use this argument since the Argos had more points they were the better team).

Which team played better yesterday and should've won the cup?

Toronto played better. They made the big plays. They won and deserved it.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Answer one question, ignoring the score (i'm sure you'll use this argument since the Argos had more points they were the better team).

Which team played better yesterday and should've won the cup?

Now you're moving the goalposts. I was refuting your assertion that it was all luck.

Your second problem is that you're equating being the better team and that if the better team loses it is pure luck. Those aren't the same thing.

Sometimes the better team doesn't win. But often it's because they were the better team for 55 minutes and those other 5 minutes they were inexcusably awful. This is one of those times.

Saying the Stamps blew it and should have won is accurate. But using some sort of luck argument to take away the Argos good plays to tarnish their win isn't fair. It's sour grapes. Given the emotion of watching your team blow it two years in a row, I even understand you feeling that way. I'm not here to find all of the emotional posts and pick them apart. But most of them are focusing on your team, not trying to take the opponents down a peg. That's not fair.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Toronto played better. They made the big plays. They won and deserved it.

No...they really didnt.

Yes, they made two huge plays, that hardly means they were better and anyone who is being honest knows that.

No surprise you would see it otherwise however.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Weitz

BLM claiming he saw Black and still didn't look him off, but telegraphing and throwing to his receiver, then under throwing the ball... That pick is all on BLM and his poor play on that play.

Yeah, I didn't see that quote, and to be honest, I've kind of avoided Stampeder news since the loss.

But the timing was off on the throw as it was, he basically threw it to the end of the route which allowed the close.

Bo's arm was clearly a problem this year, his deep throws didn't have a lot of zip on them at all. Even the longer throws it was usually the receivers having to fight back to the ball.

But of all the positions on the field, The Stamps have to find a way to shore up the QB position. I don't think that Buckley is the guy that you want to develop at this point, and picking up an older cast off as a third string guy doesn't do much for your depth.

I would like to see the Stamps also focus on the running back spot as well as I think Messam will follow the money, and Huf isn't going to crack the bank on a 33 year old running back. Finch is awesome, but he's not an every situation back.

I think with Bo's contract coming up at the end of next year that the Stamps will take one more shot with this core group and then make decisions.

But I also think that the Stamps letting Bo explore some off season NFL workouts might also be in the cards.

[Otto-matic]

Is there rumblings Bo is exploring his NFL route?