2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Imagine how much better off Rielly would have been if he was playing with Hamilton instead of Hainsey.

So trade Tkachuk for him and make that the new top pairing for the Flames? Reunite Brodie-Giordano. I like your thinking Roof-Daddy.

I don't think anyone is claiming that Hamilton would not be an upgrade for the Leafs (if it cost them nothing). The bigger point is that, if they were to move one of the 'big' fowards, they already have Rielly in Hamilton's role and have bigger holes to fill defensively. Which is reasonable, but I disagree with myself. Still people got their panties in a bunch with the Rielly and Hamilton comparison as though that's not the most obvious comparisons between the Flames and Leafs.

[Roof-Daddy]

Price just went up!

I don't want Marner + or Nylander + for Hamilton anymore.

It's Matthews straight up or F off Toronto!

Haha

[Monahammer]

When did all these leafs fans sign up for CP? lol
I would rather trade Gaudreau than Tkachuk.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Imagine how much better off Rielly would have been if he was playing with Hamilton instead of Hainsey.

That's the point. Hamilton would be on the top pairing in Toronto and make the team better.

But is that worth a 60 point ELC forward?

Obviously adding Hamilton helps a team. No one is arguing that.

Does it help them to add 5.75 million to their cap to add a 50 point player at the expense of losing 60 points making 1.4 million with bonuses?

[Monahammer]

Now that's a Hamilton trade I would pull the trigger on!

TBH I would throw in something nice on top of Hamilton to execute that. Never going to happen anyways.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

But is that worth a 60 point ELC forward?

Obviously adding Hamilton helps a team. No one is arguing that.

Does it help them to add 5.75 million to their cap to add a 50 point player at the expense of losing 60 points making 1.4 million with bonuses?

They were 3rd in goals for last year I read somewhere.

So can't they sacrifice a little O to make the D better?

I'm confused. :P

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Maybe not. But.....

Hamilton had 12 PP points last year (6 goals), so he had 11-21-32 stats 5v5.

Reilly had 5 PP points last year (1 goal), so he had 5-42-47 5v5. He had more points 5v5 that Hamilton had in all situations.

Reilly plays vs. the other teams top players, he's their #1 shut down d-man.

Thee are many people who would think that Morgan Reilly is a better d-man that Hamilton when you factor in contract and defensive responsibilities.

That's fine. We don't need to debate that because they aren't getting traded for each other. The fact is that the addition of Hamilton would be a major improvement for the Leafs. It's not going to happen anyway but anyone that posts here long enough will learn the patterns of certain posters that simply don't like certain Flames players. Whether it be Hamilton, Bennett, Gaudreau, or whatever. They are always going to take their thinly veiled shots at these players or attempt to put them in a lesser light. That's what was being done here.

[Monahammer]

Weird double post, sorry

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

They were 3rd in goals for last year I read somewhere.

So can't they sacrifice a little O to make the D better?

I'm confused. :P

Considering their bonus overage will likely be equivalent to what Hamilton makes, no, they can't sacrifice a 60 point ELC scorer to take on a bunch of cap space to do basically the same thing.

The reason the leafs wanted Hamonic is the same reason the flames did: Steadying defensive presence making less than 4 million bucks to help out their established group of offensive minded defenders.

[Oling_Roachinen]

I have no idea where The Cobra got his numbers from. Reilly had 25 power play points.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's fine. We don't need to debate that because they aren't getting traded for each other. The fact is that the addition of Hamilton would be a major improvement for the Leafs. It's not going to happen anyway but anyone that posts here long enough will learn the patterns of certain posters that simply don't like certain Flames players. Whether it be Hamilton, Bennett, Gaudreau, or whatever. They are always going to take their thinly veiled shots at these players or attempt to put them in a lesser light. That's what was being done here.

Everyone is out to get you.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's not going to happen anyway but anyone that posts here long enough will learn the patterns of certain posters that simply don't like certain Flames players. Whether it be Hamilton, Bennett, Gaudreau, or whatever. They are always going to take their thinly veiled shots at these players or attempt to put them in a lesser light. That's what was being done here.

Or, in this case, a poster did something unthinkable. He actually took the other team's needs into thought with the proposal.

Toronto has Rielly and Gardiner. Hamilton may be an upgrade, but he's not the missing piece. They need a true shutdown defenseman to play with Rielly the same way that Hamilton has Giordano...which is why the poster said they would be after Giordano.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Or, in this case, a poster did something unthinkable. He actually took the other team's needs into thought with the proposal.

Toronto has Rielly and Gardiner. Hamilton may be an upgrade, but he's not the missing piece. They need a true shutdown defenseman to play with Rielly the same way that Hamilton has Giordano...which is why the poster said they would be after Giordano.

No that's not what happened. Flash is one of the most consistent, easy to read posters here.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

No that's not what happened. Flash is one of the most consistent, easy to read posters here.

Well you were quoting me when I was talking about Torontos needs. Hamilton isn't a need for them. Upgrade? Maybe. But trading one of their young forwards for Hamilton probably doesn't move the needle in their overall ability to win games come playoff time.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I have no idea where The Cobra got his numbers from. Reilly had 25 power play points.

You are correct, I was looking at his last years PP totals.

Thanks, sorry for the misinformation.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Love

Brodie for Nylander pls

Ya, I can see how that conversation goes.

BT: Hey Lou, can I interest in in another Jake Gardiner for Nylander?

Lou: *click*

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by FiveSeven

I would love Tavares on the team. Cap be damned, I wanna see this Tattooooooo.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ya, I can see how that conversation goes.

BT: Hey Lou, can I interest in in another Jake Gardiner for Nylander?

Lou: *click*

I actually saw someone as HF Leafs propose Gardiner for Brody. I will say that Brody really never looked terrible playing on the right hand side. If the Flames don't trade him I would hope the new coaching staff looks into moving him back.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Why would the leafs want Dougie? Someone please answer that for me.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Obviously adding Hamilton helps a team. No one is arguing that.

lol, does it ever get tiresome being you?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Give it the context. Adding Hamilton for free? Every team jumps on that and improves their team. However, we're talking about trading for Hamilton.

Adding Hamilton for a young top 6 forward when they have other holes to fill? That's not such a sure thing.