2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

https://twitter.com/user/status/1724862249481978296

The issue with asking for young players that can play now is that you are largely going to get other teams version of guys like Zary and Pelletier. They are nice players but not elite and this organization badly needs elite talent and the only way to get those are to draft them. I don't mind bringing in a few young players that can play now to add youth to the lineup but that's not how you build a future cup contender. It's how you build a roster kind of like what they already have with some good players and no elite players. They need to get some first round picks that provide the option to draft multiple 1st round picks or used to move up in a draft to get a guy they really want.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The issue with asking for young players that can play now is that you are largely going to get guys like Zary and Pelletier. They are nice players but not elite and this organization badly needs elite talent and the only way to get those are to draft them. I don't mind bringing in a few young players that can be but that's not how you build a future cup contender. It's how you build a roster kind of like what they already have with some good players and no elite players.

and you expect elite players with 2nds and 3rds?
even late firsts...its highly unlikely

I mean the franchises best player came in a trade for a young prospect when another player wanted out

[Flames1217]

Jonathan Lekkerimaki would be awesome.

Really doubt this is remotely possible but you never know what happens if a bidding war starts up.

No picks, nothing just straight across for Jonathan Lekkerimaki.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Rick Dhaliwal is at Don Cherry's level of not pronouncing names.

Kid is 22 years old and is showing he's TRYING defensively. He just needs time to learn. It's also not entirely accurate. He ended up in Boudreau's dog house, but I think that was more Boudreau REALLY liked Podkolzin who had similar issues in learning defense.

Hoglander has amazing advanced stats as a forechecker and if you believe in those stats, has bad luck when he comes to scoring. By the eye-test he is probably one of our best forwards from the defensive blueline on. His issue is he struggles on the wall in the defensive end near the blueline. He can learn and improve this. The fact he struggles here, but performers so well in these areas offensively tells me he can get over this.

All well and good but he sold him like a guy telling me how a car would fit my lifestyle but then listing off its missing features.

[PepsiFree]

Not sure what thread the name was mentioned in but I hope if they bring in some overpaid guys teams might be willing to part with to make the cap work, they do so with guys like Ross Colton.

All for a rebuild, all for maximizing picks and prospects coming in as we ship guys out, but if we’re having to take contracts back I’d love if we could get some middling guys who play with jam. Not just to take some attention away from the young guys coming up, but because I’d like losing to be fun to watch, at least.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Toonage

All well and good but he sold him like a guy telling me how a car would fit my lifestyle but then listing off its missing features.

Rick Dhaliwal is a good insider. He is not a good salesman.

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Jonathan Lekkerimaki would be awesome.

Really doubt this is remotely possible but you never know what happens if a bidding war starts up.

No picks, nothing just straight across for Jonathan Lekkerimaki.

Absolutely not.


You can wring my arm and get a Hoglander or a Raty. Lekkerimaki is looking like a monster now that he's recovered from mono.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

and you expect elite players with 2nds and 3rds?
even late firsts...its highly unlikely

I mean the franchises best player came in a trade for a young prospect when another player wanted out

The more draft picks you have, the more options you have. Elite players can be found in the 2nd round with good scouting and luck. The young guns route didn't work the first time and it won't work a second time. If you don't recall the Flames made trades for a lot of young players because they couldn't afford to sign free agents. Different circumstances but it's essentially the same quality of players you are going to get. Maybe a good not great one in Bure but also lots of Wiemer, Gauthier, Simpson, and Schantz.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The issue with asking for young players that can play now is that you are largely going to get other teams version of guys like Zary and Pelletier. They are nice players but not elite and this organization badly needs elite talent and the only way to get those are to draft them. I don't mind bringing in a few young players that can play now to add youth to the lineup but that's not how you build a future cup contender. It's how you build a roster kind of like what they already have with some good players and no elite players. They need to get some first round picks that provide the option to draft multiple 1st round picks or used to move up in a draft to get a guy they really want.

For sure.

I think the one caveat though is recent draft picks that the Flame's amateur scouts loved in their draft years.

That's not a pro scout thing.

It's a chance to bring in players they wanted to draft anyway.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

For sure.

I think the one caveat though is recent draft picks that the Flame's amateur scouts loved in their draft years.

That's not a pro scout thing.

It's a chance to bring in players they wanted to draft anyway.

I would ask the pro scouts to leave the room for any adult discussions, given their track record. I would be fine if the amateur scouts still really liked a 21 or 22 year old player.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

For sure.

I think the one caveat though is recent draft picks that the Flame's amateur scouts loved in their draft years.

That's not a pro scout thing.

It's a chance to bring in players they wanted to draft anyway.

Like I said I don't have an issue with trading for a few of this type of player but they really need to bring in some early round picks as well. I sure hope they aren't turning down some good draft pick offers just because they have have the mindset of players or bust. Most teams would rather part with draft picks to not interrupt their current pipeline which is why teams mostly move draft picks at the trade deadline.

In regards to the bolded lets not forget that's how the Flames ended up trading for guys like Shinkaruk and Lazar from that 2013 draft class. Not sure that's a great road to go back down.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Like I said I don't have an issue with trading for a few of this type of player but they really need to bring in some early round picks as well. I sure hope they aren't turning down some good draft pick offers just because they have have the mindset of players or bust. Most teams would rather part with draft picks to not interrupt their current pipeline which is why teams mostly move draft picks at the trade deadline.

Conroy said he you have to build through the draft. My guess is if he was being offered 1st and 2nd round picks he would've taken it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Conroy said he you have to build through the draft. My guess is if he was being offered 1st and 2nd round picks he would've taken it.

According to the media that's not what the Flames are asking for.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Jiggy

Conroy said he you have to build through the draft. My guess is if he was being offered 1st and 2nd round picks he would've taken it.

Well, that's all the Canucks are going to have to offer up since they don't have an NHL-ready prospect playing in the NHL right now. Hoglander is already past being considered a prospect, and I would rather just have more darts for the "franchise player" dartboard rather than take on players that haven't played up to their potential (Hoglander, Podkolzin, etc).

[mrdonkey]

This stinks like another 'rebuild on the fly' half-measure. You don't look for 24/25 year olds with mediocre upside if you're looking at building through the draft and letting players hit their stride together in 5-7 years, you look for them if you're trying to fill gaps on a bubble team team in the short term.

By the time this team has any hope of being good again, those 'players who can play now' are past their prime and/or waived to the AHL. Make it make sense.

[Jiggy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

According to the media that's not what the Flames are asking for.

Who knows which picks are being offered? If a team if offering a lower pick and Calgary says thats not what we are looking for and then the spin turns into the Flames don't want picks.

You can't believe everything you read. Heck, Friedman who is usually right on everything has got a lot of things wrong about the Flames lately.

[Bleeding Red]

Call me crazy, but after being burned by the TML (tell me every time you read about a trade with TML that you don't hear whispers of "Gilmour for Leeman" like a haunting) I think any conversation has to start with Knies or Minton. Both are younger and bigger than Abruzzese (I don't care if he played with Coronato). If BT passes, so be it. Just let BT know you're calling FLA, DET, TB, & NJ next.


And none of this - they won't trade high end guys for our UFAs - Anyone want to rehash the Brett Hull to STL trade. Do we win the Cup without moving a future HOFFer?

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

And the worst player-to-player comparison of the year goes to...

Scott Gomez then.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

According to the media that's not what the Flames are asking for.

A top prospect is better than a 2nd. They'll have to gamble on the deadline if they want a 1st for Tanev

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

Call me crazy, but after being burned by the TML (tell me every time you read about a trade with TML that you don't hear whispers of "Gilmour for Leeman" like a haunting) I think any conversation has to start with Knies or Minton. Both are younger and bigger than Abruzzese (I don't care if he played with Coronato). If BT passes, so be it. Just let BT know you're calling FLA, DET, TB, & NJ next.


And none of this - they won't trade high end guys for our UFAs - Anyone want to rehash the Brett Hull to STL trade. Do we win the Cup without moving a future HOFFer?

Exactly this whole "Leafs won't put so and so on the table" stuff is crap

#### them then...this year might be the Leafs best shot. Next year you have Nylander and Matthews new contracts

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The more draft picks you have, the more options you have. Elite players can be found in the 2nd round with good scouting and luck. The young guns route didn't work the first time and it won't work a second time. If you don't recall the Flames made trades for a lot of young players because they couldn't afford to sign free agents. Different circumstances but it's essentially the same quality of players you are going to get. Maybe a good not great one in Bure but also lots of Wiemer, Gauthier, Simpson, and Schantz.

Yeah they got stuck with that bum Iginla, should have held out for a late first from Dallas