[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Why not invest in a long term asset than a short term fix for on a bad team anyways?

They got 2 draft picks today. And a prospect. Those are long term assets.

They did not bring in Whitecloud to become a playoff team.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I’m done giving this flames management and franchise the benefit of the doubt.

I don't recall when you ever even started giving them the benefit of the doubt.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Do as you will man I don’t care.

I’m done giving this flames management and franchise the benefit of the doubt. They haven’t proven to be above even average franchise over the last 30 years, so forgive if I don’t assume they have any actual competence.

nice chatting with you then, hope your new team gives you more joy in life.

[#-3]

Why are there so many people here that want to sound like Eric Francis, I thought we were all supposed to hate him together.

At the end of the day for a 1B UFA defenseman on a team that isn't good enough to compete, and is going heavy on futures they essentially go something in the range of 2x 1sts and a 2nd in Value. I say 2 firsts, because on the picks is convertible to a 1st and they got a good NHL player in compensation for the fact that it's not just a 1st by default.

It's a big return for any player, and it's impossible to judge a trade with picks for years.

Stop bellyaching.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

My advice to you on this Rhett44? Take this trade as a win.

This is a rebuilding trade. It's maybe not as super sexy as we all may have wished, but rebuilds aren't super sexy. It's a slog.

Whitecloud was included though. I don't know if I consider it a rebuild trade, more a retool.

But the picks are nice. I don't know. Ugh.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

We didn't get two high picks.

The 1st is the Vegas 1st which is closer to a 2nd. It will be the last few picks of the 1st round. And the 2nd is basically a 3rd.

The 1st round pick is a 1st round pick.

The 2nd round pick is a 2nd round pick.

You don't get to round those down to make things seem worse. We have no idea where Vegas will finish over the next 2-3 years.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Tanev, Hanifin, Mangiapane, Markstrom, and Andersson

for

Notable picks:
4 1sts — Gridin, Reschny, two TBD
3 2nds — Battaglia, Stockselius, one TBD
3 3rds — Suniev, Zarubin, one TBD

Notable roster pieces:
Sharangovich
Bahl
Whitecloud
Brzustewicz
^ Each could likely return strong pieces at the right opportunity

Seems very strong to me.

The thing that jumps out to me is they have only gotten one prospect - Brzu

I guess I would have hoped / expected trading all those core guys you end up with a few more 20-22 year old B+ spects to build around

I think this adds to the angst - you see guys like Minten and Ritchie getting traded but Flames haven’t gotten guys like that in deal

It’s picks and mid roster players .

I don’t love the overall returns as an aggregate for all the players . But I also don’t hate any individual deal.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Whitecloud was included though. I don't know if I consider it a rebuild trade, more a retool.

But the picks are nice. I don't know. Ugh.

So, if the trade was the exact same minus Whitecloud, it was fine?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

We didn't get two high picks.

The 1st is the Vegas 1st which is closer to a 2nd. It will be the last few picks of the 1st round. And the 2nd is basically a 3rd.

You realize its the good teams that want the rentals right?

Its a first round pick and another first or 2nd...no matter how you want to spin it.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

They got 2 draft picks today. And a prospect. Those are long term assets.

They did not bring in Whitecloud to become a playoff team.

I like the first part of your statement, I just don’t understand the point of bringing in a 30 year old dman . If it’s to trade asap, awesome, but if it’s to fill a role on the roster for the next few seasons, then, what’s the point is my question.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Tanev, Hanifin, Mangiapane, Markstrom, and Andersson

for

Notable picks:
4 1sts — Gridin, Reschny, two TBD
3 2nds — Battaglia, Stockselius, one TBD
3 3rds — Suniev, Zarubin, one TBD

Notable roster pieces:
Sharangovich
Bahl
Whitecloud
Brzustewicz
^ Each could likely return strong pieces at the right opportunity

Seems very strong to me.

Overall I think the Toffoli, Zadorov, and Tanev trades were a little disappointing but passable. (the third was a bit soft for Toffoli, would have been nice to get a 1st for Tanev, and would have been nice to get a 2nd for Zadorov).

Lindholm, Mangiapane, and Markstrom returns were great for sure. Andersson trade feels like it could be great depending how some other things fall.

The only one that I think was a bit of a fail was the Hanifin trade.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Minten was a second-round pick for a reason. I guarantee you that if the Flames pick top-5 next year, they'll get a prospect that will blow his doors off.

I would hope so, and the flames have seemingly drafted well recently. Drafts are funny though in that you *shouldnt* draft for position, rather based on who is the best player available. They had the opportunity to target a position of weakness with Andersson’s trade and Conroy opted to get 2 defencemen along with the picks. Not ideal at all.

[Roughneck]

Trades always need to be pre-return

Because once you trade a player people will ask 'for what' and it will never be enough.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Whitecloud was included though. I don't know if I consider it a rebuild trade, more a retool.

But the picks are nice. I don't know. Ugh.

It's asset management insurance.

Conroy wanted 2x1st and a moonshot prospect worth of value, Vegas conditionally gave that to him, and threw in a movable asset as compassion for putting conditions on his asking price.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I like the first part of your statement, I just don’t understand the point of bringing in a 30 year old dman . If it’s to trade asap, awesome, but if it’s to fill a role on the roster for the next few seasons, then, what’s the point is my question.

Because you still need to ice a team. And you will have a few vets, you're not going to dress 6 20-year olds on the blueline so Wolf gets shellacked every game, that would be very unwise.

They will have a mix of vets and young guys. Like right now. You can't dress all prospects just because we want to see them play.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Overall I think the Toffoli, Zadorov, and Tanev trades were a little disappointing but passable. (the third was a bit soft for Toffoli, would have been nice to get a 1st for Tanev, and would have been nice to get a 2nd for Zadorov).

Lindholm, Mangiapane, and Markstrom returns were great for sure. Andersson trade feels like it could be great depending how some other things fall.

The only one that I think was a bit of a fail was the Hanifin trade.

Funny thing with the Zadorov trade is CGY will essentially get a 2nd after all. They have the Canucks' very own 2026 3rd. Which looks like it'll be 65th overall.

Nice to catch a break like that. Craig playing 3D chess.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The thing that jumps out to me is they have only gotten one prospect - Brzu

I guess I would have hoped / expected trading all those core guys you end up with a few more 20-22 year old B+ spects to build around

I think this adds to the angst - you see guys like Minten and Ritchie getting traded but Flames haven’t gotten guys like that in deal

It’s picks and mid roster players .

I don’t love the overall returns as an aggregate for all the players . But I also don’t hate any individual deal.

For years now people have been complaining that the Flames weren’t building through the draft. now it’s prospects they want?

[dino7c]

Andersson was a 2nd round pick

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I like the first part of your statement, I just don’t understand the point of bringing in a 30 year old dman . If it’s to trade asap, awesome, but if it’s to fill a role on the roster for the next few seasons, then, what’s the point is my question.

If they trade him now for a 2nd would that be better than playing him for the next year and trading him for a 2nd then? Is it a huge difference?

I think they could easily flip him for a 2nd right now, I think you'd easily have 8 teams that would do that (Dallas, Detroit, Buffalo, San Jose, Toronto, Minnesota, Ottawa, Anaheim)

Personally I want them to try to hold out for another 1st.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Overall I think the Toffoli, Zadorov, and Tanev trades were a little disappointing but passable. (the third was a bit soft for Toffoli, would have been nice to get a 1st for Tanev, and would have been nice to get a 2nd for Zadorov).

Lindholm, Mangiapane, and Markstrom returns were great for sure. Andersson trade feels like it could be great depending how some other things fall.

The only one that I think was a bit of a fail was the Hanifin trade.

I agree with you on these trade assessments. As of today, this Andersson trade seems reasonable. Not great, maybe slightly disappointing but not bad.