[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The team's best shot at a top-end centre prospect is the 2027 1st-round pick. That was never going to happen through a trade.

How can you say that when Minten was traded last year? The guy would have instantly been our best forward prospect. It absolutely could have happened had Conroy had the wits to trade Andersson at the deadline.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think most of it comes from the fact that it's Vegas, and the baggage of the Hanifin issue.

To Vancouver: Lindholm
To Calgary: Kuzmenko, 1st, Conditional 4th, Jurmo, Brzustewicz

To Vegas: Andersson
To Calgary: Whitecloud, 1st, 2nd (possible 1st), Wiebe

Whitecloud > Kuzmenko + Jurmo
2nd (possible 1st) + Wiebe >= Conditional 4th + Brzustewicz
1st = 1st

Lindholm's deal is heralded as a big win, but this isn't?

I don't track it. I think both deals are pretty equal.

To me, this ties the Lindholm trade as Conroy's 2nd best trade (Markstrom being the best).

Part of the issue is Lindholm was having a poor year while Ras is having a career year

But I don’t think 40 games play into GMs opinions as much as recency bias for fans

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Let me ask you this though, you are extremely knowledgeable on the team. You know how this ownership and management runs things generally.

Do you honestly think we are going to trade Whitecloud for a pick. Or is it more likely he becomes another "great vet, great culture guy". Because I think the latter is more likely.

I do think this organization likes to have some veterans around.

But if bringing in Whitecloud makes you more willing to move older veterans (Kadri, and Coleman) and then still move Whitecloud in the next 18 months too, is that really a bad thing?

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

when they trade Coleman and Kadri what nonsense will you make up next? playoff push, smh

And if they don’t trade both, how will you defend these stewards of excellence???? Lol

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

If they trade whitecloud asap, I agree.

My guess is that whitecloud is a replacement to the rd position for the playoff push next year.

Playoff push? They are a terrible team. If they keep Whitecloud it's because they still need to actually ice a team, not because they have dreams of making the playoffs.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The team is being more long-term focused than ever before.
I get you think they should be even MORE long-term focused, but if this is the most you've ever been frustrated, you must be so young that you missed some of the truly dark times.

I am mid 20s, so if you're referring to anything before the 2000s, I was not alive for any of that.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

How can you say that when Minten was traded last year? The guy would have instantly been our best forward prospect. It absolutely could have happened had Conroy had the wits to trade Andersson at the deadline.

Minten was a second-round pick for a reason. I guarantee you that if the Flames pick top-5 next year, they'll get a prospect that will blow his doors off.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

And if they don’t trade both, how will you defend these stewards of excellence???? Lol

but you're the one spouting this nonsense - i'll wait and see and i suggest you do as well.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

How can you say that when Minten was traded last year? The guy would have instantly been our best forward prospect. It absolutely could have happened had Conroy had the wits to trade Andersson at the deadline.

Eh Minten had pretty mediocre AHL and NHL stats last year.

IIRC people didn't actually really see Minten as a blue chip prospect at all when he was traded last year.

He's been good for Boston but Flames have forward prospects better than him for sure.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Out of thanks, so thanks! This is a very good assessment.

By the way on a day like today with a huge trade like this and so many thoughtful posts and insights.

The maximum number of thanks allowed ,should be waived.

I ran out too!

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Playoff push? They are a terrible team. If they keep Whitecloud it's because they still need to actually ice a team, not because they have dreams of making the playoffs.

Why not invest in a long term asset than a short term fix for on a bad team anyways?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Minten’s is likely a third liner long-term
Nice player but nothing special

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Minten was a second-round pick for a reason. I guarantee you that if the Flames pick top-5 next year, they'll get a prospect that will blow his doors off.

And wasn’t a blue chip prospect when he got traded

In hindsight he looks like a great get in that package , but he wasn’t a top prospect when he got dealt .

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Why not invest in a long term asset than a short term fix for on a bad team anyways?

Like 2 high draft picks?

[TheScorpion]

Toffoli, Zadorov, Lindholm, Tanev, Hanifin, Mangiapane, Markstrom, and Andersson

for

Notable picks:
4 1sts — Gridin, Reschny, two TBD
3 2nds — Battaglia, Stockselius, one TBD
3 3rds — Suniev, Zarubin, one TBD

Notable roster pieces:
Sharangovich
Bahl
Whitecloud
Brzustewicz
^ Each could likely return strong pieces at the right opportunity

Seems very strong to me.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

but you're the one spouting this nonsense - i'll wait and see and i suggest you do as well.

Do as you will man I don’t care.

I’m done giving this flames management and franchise the benefit of the doubt. They haven’t proven to be above even average franchise over the last 30 years, so forgive if I don’t assume they have any actual competence.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Why not invest in a long term asset than a short term fix for on a bad team anyways?

Whitecloud isn’t the main piece, you realize.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I am mid 20s, so if you're referring to anything before the 2000s, I was not alive for any of that.

My advice to you on this Rhett44? Take this trade as a win.

This is a rebuilding trade. It's maybe not as super sexy as we all may have wished, but rebuilds aren't super sexy. It's a slog.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Why not invest in a long term asset than a short term fix for on a bad team anyways?

Because you still have to play the games in the meantime. Parekh isn't ready for the NHL yet, and Wolf needs some support from his D if he's going to keep improving. We can't afford to defend like the Oilers and hang our goalie out to dry every night; we haven't got McAvi and Pissy to make up for it at the other end.

I've seen plenty of promising goalies ruined because they learned to scramble all over making up for bad D coverage instead of playing their angles and trusting their teammates.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Like 2 high draft picks?

We didn't get two high picks.

The 1st is the Vegas 1st which is closer to a 2nd. It will be the last few picks of the 1st round. And the 2nd is basically a 3rd.