[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Peters shouldn't be on the radar at all. The broadcast team on CBC mentioned after interviewing Staal that he said prior to his trade to Minnesota he'd lost all enthusiasm for the game.
So was that Peter's ? Or the system being employed?

Or something else altogether?

[Racki]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

The games we played against Carolina last year they did look fast and exciting. He may be a possession/advanced stats guy, but I do think he gets them in a different way than Gulutzan.

This is true. I was actually kind of impressed by them when they came out here. Fore-checked relentlessly and looked fast!

[direwolf]

All this Bill Peters talk is still nothing but rumors and speculation at this point. Wasn't Gulutzan supposed to be fired a week ago according to the last "source" that someone talked to? How 'bout we all calm down until we hear some actual, credible news on what's going on.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by direwolf

All this Bill Peters talk is still nothing but rumors and speculation at this point. Wasn't Gulutzan supposed to be fired a week ago according to the last "source" that someone talked to? How 'bout we all calm down until we hear some actual, credible news on what's going on.

Remember when the Gulutzan rumours popped up and we were like nah why is he even being mentioned? Month later he is hired, I have the same feeling about Peters right now.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Per-82 game averages

Eric Staal 2 years before Bill Peters
25.2 G
48.4 A
73.6 P

Eric Staal 2 years under Bill Peters
19.3 G
31.6 A
50.9 P

Eric Staal 2 years after Bill Peters
35.0 G
35.5 A
70.5 P

If Bennett is going to break out post-Gulutzan, I doubt it'd be under Bill Peters. And getting more out of Bennett (among others) is the foremost reason to fire Gulutzan.

I admit sometimes you need to play a responsible style, but Peters seems like another in a long line of coaches who overcoach the offense out of good players. We've already got one of those.

Why is 33 year old Eric Staal the comparison for Bennett? Young guys like Aho & especially Tervavainen are a much better comparison to Bennett and how he might turn things around under Bill Peters.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Per-82 game averages

Eric Staal 2 years before Bill Peters
25.2 G
48.4 A
73.6 P

Eric Staal 2 years under Bill Peters
19.3 G
31.6 A
50.9 P

Eric Staal 2 years after Bill Peters
35.0 G
35.5 A
70.5 P

If Bennett is going to break out post-Gulutzan, I doubt it'd be under Bill Peters. And getting more out of Bennett (among others) is the foremost reason to fire Gulutzan.

I admit sometimes you need to play a responsible style, but Peters seems like another in a long line of coaches who overcoach the offense out of good players. We've already got one of those.

This is a bit of cherry-picking.

Aho, Terevainen and Skinner seem to have had no such issues under Bill Peters. Justin Williams had his best year since 2011 in his first season back in Carolina. I think you could probably find examples for practically any coach of players whose production has seemingly suffered or thrived. I don't think these individual examples say much of anything meaningful about what to expect for certain players under a new coach.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by direwolf

All this Bill Peters talk is still nothing but rumors and speculation at this point. Wasn't Gulutzan supposed to be fired a week ago according to the last "source" that someone talked to?...

People keep falling back on this, but that is NOT what Incognito reported. He said a week before the end of the season that Gulutzan could be tied as early as Monday. He even made a point of qualifying this to say that it may not happen for several days after the season ended.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

I don't see the issue. Ultimately we watch hockey for entertainment. Gulutzan hockey literally puts me to sleep, and I already stopped watching them last season. No issue with people not wanting to waste time watching boring hockey.

100% agree with you. I have no issue with anyone deciding what does and doesn't entertain them.

What I don't understand is those people saying that and coming online to post ad nauseam about how much they don't care ensuring total strangers know they no longer care and are no longer watching.

If something that's supposed to be fun moves someone to not caring, coming to incessantly whine about it on a message board couldn't be more counter productive. It was happening late in the season with individuals further crapping over the already unreadable game-threads about how they just want everyone to know they're not watching cause the stopped caring. That's not how 'not caring' works.

I was frustrated with last season too, but the amount of faux outrage over a firing not being announced yet and a potential hiring that we have no idea is even likely - is silly.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

People keep falling back on this, but that is NOT what Incognito reported. He said a week before the end of the season that Gulutzan could be tied as early as Monday. He even made a point of qualifying this to say that it may not happen for several days after the season ended.

And that was before events in Sask.

[gunnner]

It is impossible Gulutzan isnt fired if Treliving has watched any playoff hockey. This years playoffs are awesome. The teams skate hard, hit hard, and the skill is shining through. Its fun. I wondered if the slow breakouts and rigidness of the GG system sucked the will to live from our players. Guys who hit, stopped hitting. Scorers stopped scoring. Players who refused to give up, gave up. No one was giving 110% anymore, maybe not even 100%.

[868904]

Ugh, if this Peters things is true, it's disappointing.

Tre, we get it, you are smart, you have good genes, sometimes you make great trades, you are hard working. We get it, you are smarter than us, you don't have to go out and prove it with your coaching hires.

It's ok to just take the easy choice and hire the proven coach.

This is insanely risky for Treliving if true. If this coach fails too, he's done. If he hires a Sutter or AV and they fail, well it's on the players.

[Fischy13]

Just to clarify, the comment was that BP has 2 offers from Canadian teams. That's all my source was given. The source felt positive one was Calgary, obviously due to Calgary having the most likely vacancy out of the Canadian teams.

I'd love to know if GG and BP styles are similar or if they have different systems to get the same results... Anyone know that?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Fischy13

Just to clarify, the comment was that BP has 2 offers from Canadian teams. That's all my source was given. The source felt positive one was Calgary, obviously due to Calgary having the only vacancy out of the Canadian teams.

I'd love to know if GG and BP styles are similar or if they have different systems to get the same results... Anyone know that?

The Flames do not presently have a coaching vacancy.

[Fischy13]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The Flames do not presently have a coaching vacancy.

Yeah I misspoke there, I corrected it.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The Flames do not presently have a coaching vacancy.

Well, neither do any other Canadian teams.

[SuperMatt18]

As much as I would like AV or Sutter I'm not sure how realistic it is.

Personally I don't see D.Sutter coming back to this organization - I don't think the relationship with King and the ownership group ended all that well.

AV would be ideal but he's the type of guy who can pick his own shot. Does he want to come to Calgary...or would he rather see what happens with say a team like Washington or Anaheim if they lose out in the first round?

Honestly I think Peters may be the best of the rest that are available right now...with Trotz being the other dark horse (rumors that Ownership wanted to pry him out of Nashville in the past) if Washington does lose out here.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well. for all we know, AV is saying no to the Flames because he can go to a bigger market or less pressure, or because he wants a year off, or because he doesn't like the circumstances. There's always such an assumption here that when something doesn't happen it's because the Flames didn't even try.

Sure, but if the Flames are continuously unable to land top flight talent behind the bench then the organization needs to ask itself why.

[Fischy13]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Well, neither do any other Canadian teams.

They speculated Ottawa... which I've only heard little around their coaching situation. I figured Edmonton, I read that McLellan doesn't want to coach them.

[dammage79]

Anybody but gully and Cameron. That's all I got. If it's Peter's I'm fine with it. His kids definitely seem to play well in his system.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by 868904

Ugh, if this Peters things is true, it's disappointing.

Tre, we get it, you are smart, you have good genes, sometimes you make great trades, you are hard working. We get it, you are smarter than us, you don't have to go out and prove it with your coaching hires.

It's ok to just take the easy choice and hire the proven coach.

This is insanely risky for Treliving if true. If this coach fails too, he's done. If he hires a Sutter or AV and they fail, well it's on the players.

I think the guy would be in trouble if he fired Gulutzan and hired any coach that didn't work out shortly thereafter.

It's not held with just the Peters hire.

If Sutter is hired and proven to be behind the times (Stevens ran all the practices in L.A. from what I understand), or if Vigneault is hired and has the same reaction from Calgary fans that he seemed to generate from Ranger fans then he's equally made a mistake.

His call to make though ... don't think it comes down to easy vs hard, it's right vs wrong.