PGT: President-Elect Donald J Trump

[nik-]

Fobs people, geeeeeez

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Lemons?

Nevee thought of that.

If you are white but act asian thats an egg

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

You're comparing unjustified opposition to a scientific position, which is developed based on a scientific process, to a sociological diagnosis? Come on, man. This is politics. It's human interaction. There's a huge difference between these things, and you do not have all the right answers when it comes to culture, society, and morality. There's an argument that there are no right answers - I reject that argument, personally, but the fact that it's even defensible should tell you something about the landscape we're dealing with here.

And again, you're doing the same thing repeatedly. You might as well have compared my lack of certainty about the relative importance of various causes leading to disproportionate violent encounters between police and black people to a lack of certainty about whether the Earth is flat. Leaving aside your own erroneous level of certainty and Mill's warning about dead dogmas... do you not get how insulting, how condescending that is? Again, why would anyone who doesn't already agree with you want to talk to you about this stuff, given the way you talk about it?

Man you're predictable. Go after the example instead of the point. Do you agree or disagree that you're predisposed to some form of bias and characterization of your opponent in nearly every debate? Hell, I watch you and Cliff engage in it nearly every time a discussion about PC culture or the regressive left comes up.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Nevee thought of that.

If you are white but act asian thats an egg

I thought those were Weeaboos.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I thought those were Weeaboos.

That's idiot lonely white guys that worship japanese culture, know about 25 Japanese words, and they think Japanese women will throw themselves at them cuz reasons.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Man you're predictable. Go after the example instead of the point. Do you agree or disagree that you're predisposed to some form of bias and characterization of your opponent in nearly every debate? Hell, I watch you and Cliff engage in it nearly every time a discussion about PC culture or the regressive left comes up.

First, I'm not sure I can make the point better than to use an example, especially when someone disagrees with me and is unlikely to be convinced by an abstraction. I don't think you're going to be convinced anyway, because that's not how moral reasoning typically works and we're not sitting across a table from each other, but examples and hypotheticals are the only tools I have.

Second, you've shifted to ad hominem here. Even if you were right that Cliff and I engage in the same thing and reduce dissenting voices to caricatures (which I deliberately try not to do; Rapoport's rules are a good touchstone) it would say nothing about my criticism of your approach to these issues, and to the approach of some on the left that I think you're demonstrating in this conversation by casting anyone who disagrees with you as ignorant.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Here's the wiki on racial slurs (or ethnophaulisms as wiki calls them) so we get them all right

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

[redforever]

Originally Posted by rubecube

It's not like bigotry and racism were on the decline before groups like BLM showed. They showed up because progress had largely stalled. And, no, I'm not really that worried about "continuing to lose," whatever that means. The history of human rights and social movements have always ebbed and flowed and I don't particularly have a teleological view of either. The last decade has or so has seen a number breakthroughs for marginalized groups and their allies. There was bound to be some pushback and a reversal of fortune at some point.

Clinton may have lost the electoral college but she won the popular vote. Millennials are increasingly displaying different attitudes and cultural priorities than previous generations. Demographics are constantly shifting and changing. When the Alt+right doesn't provide the solutions their movement has promised, they'll eventually flame out.

I really think that rhetoric has to stop. In a country of over 300 million, it turned out to be something like 47.7% for Clinton and 47.5% for Trump.

That is negligible in the whole scheme of things.

This election was a tie in terms of the popular vote as far as I am concerned.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by redforever

I really think that rhetoric has to stop. In a country of over 300 million, it turned out to be something like 47.7% for Clinton and 47.5% for Trump.

That is negligible in the whole scheme of things.

This election was a tie in terms of the popular vote as far as I am concerned.

Plus if the national vote count was important, then the campaigns would have been run differently to go after big vote areas instead of the swing states.

[PsYcNeT]

White Nationalists call to arms:

http://www.dailystormer.com/dear-lib...ra-of-revenge/

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I'm kind of glad that my work blocks that link.

Incidentally, I'm less glad that I was able to read this link.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656

I pretty much have no faith in humanity, really.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by accord1999

Plus if the national vote count was important, then the campaigns would have been run differently to go after big vote areas instead of the swing states.

Everyone understands the popular vote is meaningless. The argument is that it shouldn't be.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm kind of glad that my work blocks that link.

Incidentally, I'm less glad that I was able to read this link.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656

I pretty much have no faith in humanity, really.

Yeah that's the link I posted earlier. Follow that Twitter "moments" account and Shaun King's Facebook account to have maximum dwindling faith in humanity.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

White Nationalists call to arms:

http://www.dailystormer.com/dear-lib...ra-of-revenge/

Some of those chaps are going to be sorely disappointed when the 4th Reich doesn't appear.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Everyone understands the popular vote is meaningless. The argument is that it shouldn't be.

It would be really interesting to see politics would shift if this were suddenly implemented. I feel like party platforms would change immensely.

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Yeah that's the link I posted earlier. Follow that Twitter "moments" account and Shaun King's Facebook account to have maximum dwindling faith in humanity.

Well, it's certainly true that following Shaun King on facebook would be pretty depressing, as he's completely obnoxious. But I think I've had my fill of wanting to cause physical injury to confederate-flag waving a-holes for the day anyway.

[GirlySports]

That facebook account is crazy.

[FlamesAddiction]

So, when do we start seeing U.S. citizens coming up and declaring asylum? I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing a few cases soon.

[calf]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

So, when do we start seeing U.S. citizens coming up and declaring asylum? I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing a few cases soon.

I met with a guy from/who flew in from the US today and CBSA point blank asked if he was.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Second, you've shifted to ad hominem here. Even if you were right that Cliff and I engage in the same thing and reduce dissenting voices to caricatures (which I deliberately try not to do; Rapoport's rules are a good touchstone) it would say nothing about my criticism of your approach to these issues, and to the approach of some on the left that I think you're demonstrating in this conversation by casting anyone who disagrees with you as ignorant.

Okay, so you're not going to answer my question? I said in my first post that my first instinct if someone were to say that police brutality, etc., wasn't grounded in white supremacy as likely incredibly ignorant due to my own experiences with these types of debates. Ignorant might have been the wrong term. You can substitute misinformed, uninformed, missing a certain perspective, etc. However, I also said that I'm open to the possibility that they're not, or that I'm wrong.

I mean if you want, I can give you another example. I often have the same approach when people make "Canadian justice system is a joke" post after a decision is made that they don't like. I assume from past experiences that the person making the statement likely doesn't have a firm grasp of how the common law system works, various legal theories, etc., because that's who usually makes those snap statements, but I leave open the possibility that I'm wrong.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Millennials are increasingly displaying different attitudes and cultural priorities than previous generations.

Every generation is different from those that preceded it. You think Boomers had the same attitude and cultural priorities as their grandparents? And like every other generation in history, Millennials will have different attitudes and priorities when they're 45 than they have today. The Boomers were going to transform the world. No more war, no more corporate greed, no more empty materialism...