[News] CalgaryNEXT Announcement. New arena details emerge.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Acey

Commonwealth had zero parking for the World Cup. Legitimately zero. It was kind of a nightmare.

Commonwealth is in the middle of nowhere in one of the worst neighborhoods in Edmonton.

The ACC has very little parking as well but it manages fine.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Nehkara

CITY OF CALGARY WILL OWN BUILDINGS AND LAND.

If the city owns the finished product than this seems like no brainer.

That is, of course, you never want Calgary to have any sort of world class show or event or facilities, in which case you as an individual are bad for the cities progress and growth and you should move to Saskatoon... or Red Deer.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah, you can sell more beer that way.

I shudder to think what a beer is going to cost at this place in 10 years or whatever.

Probably a first born child.

First born will be ticket prices. Second born for beer.


I think it's just a cop out to say it, when really, this way they don't have to change too much infrastructure in the area

[shutout]

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CITY OF CALGARY WILL OWN BUILDINGS AND LAND.

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so its basically a build to lease scenario
City will provide teams a place to conduct business and teams will pay lease costs to reimburse city and eventually earn a profit.

[Tacopuck]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

The gross amount of property tax doesn't depend AT ALL on property values. The city decides the overall amount it's going to take, and sets the "mill rate" so that the (TAX REVENUE NEEDED = TOTAL PROPERTY VALUE x MILL RATE). The only thing affected by property values in a certain community is the portion of the overall tax revenue paid by owners in that community. Your property value increases by more than the average--you pay proportionally more. Less than the average--you pay proportionally less.

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Yeah, that's not really how property tax works.

That area would just pay a larger proportion of the overall property tax pool.

I have been corrected. That being said would that not shift taxes from poor'r neighborhoods now to one that actually has more value then? (and presumably people how can afford such a tax increase)

[Royle9]

One would assume the flames entertainment group wouldn't start proposing these things if they didn't think the numbers would change, and backlash would happen initially. Everyone likes to complain, some more then others and some just because they like the sound of their own voice.

Lets take a deep breathe, wait until 2:30 and see what happens then. I'm sure all the quasy "reporters" will be lined up for miles with ammo from this very thread all waiting to try and take a stab at the proposal Ken showed us at noon.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Tacopuck

Yes that would be a unfortunate consequence however such is Gentrification. There are alot of dumps in that neighborhood that could benefit from their land value increasing to the point where its economically viable to redevelop. I lived in Sunalta for 13 years, great neighborhood, has the potential to be significantly better.

I agree. Great neighborhood, and I live in a very nice place. But when you argue you are driving up real estate prices at the expense of the less fortunate when there is already a shortage of affordable housing in this city, you are fighting a losing battle.

Simply put I wouldn't use that as a positive for the project. Although i am happy it is really close to Sunalta

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Honestly, this whole thing left me underwhelmed. This is honestly the type of stuff I would've imagined would be ready 2 years ago.

The scope itself is fine, but you'd think after all this time, they'd be able to show a bit of a grander vision than this, both visually and conceptually. I'm not really seeing the wow factor anywhere. Besides a basic map and some hastily gathered buildings, it doesn't seem like very thought and detail has been put into this as a community. It also seems like very little thought when into the long-term transportation vision of Bow Trail, or they just realized it would become to expensive to do it right, so they want to minimize it.

Even the PP presentation itself felt kind of mickey-mouse. They should look at what the East Village is doing with their videos. That's how you get people excited about your vision enough to get on board.

Can we just give this whole thing to CMLC and let them do it right?

100% agree with you, don't need to say much more.

[hockey.modern]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Honestly, this whole thing left me underwhelmed. This is honestly the type of stuff I would've imagined would be ready 2 years ago.

The scope itself is fine, but you'd think after all this time, they'd be able to show a bit of a grander vision than this, both visually and conceptually. I'm not really seeing the wow factor anywhere. Besides a basic map and some hastily gathered buildings, it doesn't seem like very thought and detail has been put into this as a community. It also seems like very little thought when into the long-term transportation vision of Bow Trail, or they just realized it would become to expensive to do it right, so they want to minimize it.

Even the PP presentation itself felt kind of mickey-mouse. They should look at what the East Village is doing with their videos. That's how you get people excited about your vision enough to get on board.

Can we just give this whole thing to CMLC and let them do it right?

Wasn't this how EV was back when it started? A stale video with little details. Now look at with all the unique buildings and proposals that are taking shape. It's only a matter of time that it will start to show the details

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Commonwealth is in the middle of nowhere in one of the worst neighborhoods in Edmonton.

The ACC has very little parking as well but it manages fine.

Montreal as well.

But I do find that lack of parking rather interesting. $20+ per stall to park is a fair chunk of revenue to give up.

OTOH, driving (heh) several thousand people to city owned lots throughout downtown would both generate revenue for the city and drive more people traffic to area restaurants and businesses after hours. I'm not going to overstate the value of that, but it is something of value to the city.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Acey

Commonwealth had zero parking for the World Cup. Legitimately zero. It was kind of a nightmare.

they had a constant stream of FREE buses from various locations in Edmonton...we parked at a mall, hopped on a bus and were there in minutes at no cost.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

KK knows Calgary isn't Manhattan, right?

My first thought too. Unlike New York, here cabs and transit aren't really good options, they're brutal and usually a last resort. Like I said, I think it's a cop out argument to not have to change the infrastructure in the area.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Canada is not Greece.

Do you think the infrastructure used for the World Cup 2006 is crumbling and not being used? Olympics 2012? Think again.

Canada is a G6 nation, remember that. Almost all Canadian cities have modern NHL rinks and CFL stadiums except Calgary. If and when Canada hosts a WC (or other major sporting event), you would be glad to have Calgary miss out because you think "billionaire should pay for his own arena/stadium", while other Canadian cities enjoy international and prestigious events? Calgary is consistently skipped over for concerts as well, it's not just sports.

John Oliver is right about many things, but not all things.

This isn't about John Oliver, but he was sure right in quoting all the economists who have commented on this issue before.

I am not talking about the infrastructure not being used, I'm talking about the amount of money that is lost to build the infrastructure for these events for minimal gain outside some international prestige. There is a reason the Olympics are going to Russia and China; the World Cup going to Russia and Qatar. They are not a good investment for any country/city and anyone who thinks they otherwise are not looking at the actual numbers. But you seem to be totally pre-occupied with the "presitge" of the city; which you can get without the olympics/world cup/ sports franchises.

It is the G8 not the G6.

What concerts have we truly missed out on that take away from our enjoyment of life? is this really just a "well Edmonton gets them" argument?

[octothorp]

If the city owns the building and lands, does that mean that the Flames and Stampeders will pay rent to them? Will the city get the majority of the revenue from concerts and events hosted there?

What it comes down to for me (in regards to public money being spent) is how quickly they can reach a point where this actually becomes a revenue-generator.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Wasn't this how EV was back when it started? A stale video with little details. Now look at with all the unique buildings and proposals that are taking shape. It's only a matter of time that it will start to show the details

Seriously, this was our first BRIEF look at whats proposed and you're already underwhelmed? Jesus buddy, lets give it a few days let alone hours before we start writing off the first introduction.

[Tacopuck]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I agree. Great neighborhood, and I live in a very nice place. But when you argue you are driving up real estate prices at the expense of the less fortunate when there is already a shortage of affordable housing in this city, you are fighting a losing battle.

Simply put I wouldn't use that as a positive for the project. Although i am happy it is really close to Sunalta

I'd like to see the % of people in the effected area that would be displaced. Then it can be decided whether its a positive or negative. If we are talking <10% its a better benefit to the area as a whole when weigh'd against the negative who are being pushed out.

[Otto-matic]

Sounds like there's a roof on newly proposed football stadium in Calgary. That's going to make a whole lot of football fans happy. #CFL

[shutout]

In Edmonton for commonwealth they include the cost of transit into the cost of the ticket so that you are going through the hassle of buying tickets after the game, and they don't have to worry about people riding for free.
Along with it being a huge incentive to take transit since you paid for it already.

[lazypucker]

I am going to ask again - did Ken King mention anything about time frame for this to be built?

[Cappy]

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Originally Posted by Nehkara

CITY OF CALGARY WILL OWN BUILDINGS AND LAND.

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so its basically a build to lease scenario
City will provide teams a place to conduct business and teams will pay lease costs to reimburse city and eventually earn a profit.

I'm sure Glendale is super stoked they own the arena, too.