2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Monahammer]

Also I think brodie gets too much credit for his former good play. He's worth something still but on balance he's played more mediocre games in the Nhl than amazing ones.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Also I think brodie gets too much credit for his former good play. He's worth something still but on balance he's played more mediocre games in the Nhl than amazing ones.

Who hasn't

[TOfan]

Been saying it for a while now;

Brodie Jankowski for RoR & a pick (2nd)

[Snuffleupagus]

Rumor has it Kevin Hayes and the Rangers aren't close in contract negotiations, He plays center now but I believe he played RW with Johnny at BC.

Rangers might be interested in Brodie.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Rumor has it Kevin Hayes and the Rangers aren't close in contract negotiations, He plays center now but I believe he played RW with Johnny at BC.

Rangers might be interested in Brodie.

I've never been big on junior chemistry but he and Johnny looked deadly together the last time they played for Team USA at the worlds.

Anyone know if Hayes is playing for Team USA coming up? Maybe we'll get another look at this combo.

[JJFlash]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

There's no doubt he's slipped the last two years, but he's still putting up 30-40 points and is a beautiful skater. Combine that with the fact he was largely played on his off side by a coach who will widely be regarded as a dud and I'm sure there would be some suiters thinking they can turn his game around.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him retained and given some time under a new coach, but if they do look at moving him I think he would garner a good return. Top four defenders that age who can skate and put up some points are always in demand.

I still think Brodie is our best trade chip to improve our scoring depth. Even if Brodie turns his game around he still will lack the decision making and NHL shot. We can replace his offense and grit.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I've never been big on junior chemistry but he and Johnny looked deadly together the last time they played for Team USA at the worlds.

Anyone know if Hayes is playing for Team USA coming up? Maybe we'll get another look at this combo.

Is Johnny playing, or staying home with his dad ?

[Dajazz]

I'd wager Brodie is worth a first and a second. Maybe more.

Look what Hamonic cost us. Hamilton was a steal. Were/are they more established? Arguably.

So what is the equivalent of a first and a second in terms of scoring wingers? Several parameters like term, contract, age etc need to be considered.

For me, I could see a solid young established top 6 winger coming back in a trade.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Is Johnny playing, or staying home with his dad ?

If this is still accurate it looks like it:


https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1515177

[JJFlash]

Why do some posters insist on trading Janko after less than a year. On a team that was among the bottom in offense we would dump a player that arguably has the biggest upside if used correctly next year. A little perspective, Janko was in the top 10 in rookie goal scoring and despite having among the lowest playing time, he has more goals than highly touted prospects like Debrusk, Heinen, Tuch, and Kempe despite virtually no PP time. He scored more goals than the highly regarded college signing in Jimmy Vessey. Vessey responded with a much better season this year once he adapted to the NHL grind.

He scored 17 goals, of course 4 of the were scored in the last game. But we all saw that Janko was a pass first centre and with better finishing wingers would have had far more assists. We also saw that the only time GG threw him a bone and played him on the top line and PP he scored 4 goals without Johnny putting them on a platter.

Would you really trade a player after he just scored 4 goals in the NHL in his first NHL season. How many elite player have played in the NHL that have never scored a hat trick...I am sure a lot. I realize that players like Bennett and Gagne have scored 4 goals and have not accomplished much since but Janko is just scratching the surface.

[Roof-Daddy]

I wonder if the emergence of some of their young forwards, like Couturier, Konecny and Patrick, if the Flyers would have any interest in dealing Simmonds now that he's only got a year left?

I wouldn't deal for him unless a reasonable extension was in place, but he'd be a solid fit for the top line RW, or even on a line with Tkachuk.

His last two playoffs were also abysmal production wise, so maybe the Flyers will look to switch things up.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

His last two playoffs were also abysmal production wise, so maybe the Flyers will look to switch things up.

Between this, his age and his needing what will be a moderate to hefty extension in years and dollars... it seems like a very risky acquisition.

A few years ago it would have been great.

Now, while giving up to get him, seems like a bad idea.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I wonder if the emergence of some of their young forwards, like Couturier, Konecny and Patrick, if the Flyers would have any interest in dealing Simmonds now that he's only got a year left?

I wouldn't deal for him unless a reasonable extension was in place, but he'd be a solid fit for the top line RW, or even on a line with Tkachuk.

His last two playoffs were also abysmal production wise, so maybe the Flyers will look to switch things up.

I agree, seems like a perfect trade partner. Depends.on how they see it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JJFlash

Why do some posters insist on trading Janko after less than a year. On a team that was among the bottom in offense we would dump a player that arguably has the biggest upside if used correctly next year. A little perspective, Janko was in the top 10 in rookie goal scoring and despite having among the lowest playing time, he has more goals than highly touted prospects like Debrusk, Heinen, Tuch, and Kempe despite virtually no PP time. He scored more goals than the highly regarded college signing in Jimmy Vessey. Vessey responded with a much better season this year once he adapted to the NHL grind.

He scored 17 goals, of course 4 of the were scored in the last game. But we all saw that Janko was a pass first centre and with better finishing wingers would have had far more assists. We also saw that the only time GG threw him a bone and played him on the top line and PP he scored 4 goals without Johnny putting them on a platter.

Would you really trade a player after he just scored 4 goals in the NHL in his first NHL season. How many elite player have played in the NHL that have never scored a hat trick...I am sure a lot. I realize that players like Bennett and Gagne have scored 4 goals and have not accomplished much since but Janko is just scratching the surface.

Personally I would prefer to keep Jankowski but it depends on the discussion and the player the Flames could attain. There's truly only three or four untouchable players on this roster and Jankowski isn't one of them and what fans have to realize in this thread where there's a lot of Flames junk being tossed around as trade bait is that you have to give up something of quality to get something of quality. He's definitely a player trending up and I don't think the team would trade him unless they were getting a very good player in return.

[Monahammer]

RoR is only 3 years older than Jankowski and can carry his own line. We would be lucky if Janko becomes as good as RoR.
I can understand loving our own players but we have to be somewhat objective on their value relative to other teams. RoR would fix a lot of depth issues on the team- rather than hoping Jankowski can drive a line next year we can know that RoR is driving one.

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Tkachuk-RoR-Bennett
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Brouwer-shore-lazar/hathaway

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Rumor has it Kevin Hayes and the Rangers aren't close in contract negotiations, He plays center now but I believe he played RW with Johnny at BC.

Rangers might be interested in Brodie.

And he can thank Johnny for his NHL pay and stay away from him from here out.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

RoR is only 3 years older than Jankowski and can carry his own line. We would be lucky if Janko becomes as good as RoR.
I can understand loving our own players but we have to be somewhat objective on their value relative to other teams. RoR would fix a lot of depth issues on the team- rather than hoping Jankowski can drive a line next year we can know that RoR is driving one.

Gaudreau-monahan-ferland
Tkachuk-RoR-Bennett
Frolik-Backlund-Dube
Brouwer-shore-lazar/hathaway

Agreed although I’m not particularly keen on slotting Dube in as a starter, I’d much rather he spend a year or two in Stockton. Unless he plays out of this world and forces you to keep him up I think you gotta send him down. Frolik is comfortable on the RW so I’d keep him there and put Bennett on their left, hoping the Backlund effect can resurrect Bennett’s career. The big hole becomes 2nd line RW. Don’t need anything too fancy, someone similar to Frolik would be fine but we’ll be low on assets to acquire a guy with Brodie/Janko gone for RoR. But I’d still do that deal in a heartbeat. Would be nice to add a RH shot for that slot as well. Not too sure Foo will ever be that guy.

[Flash Walken]

I've always thought that Buffalo would be a likely trade destination for Fox if the Flames were considering moving him, but with the Rangers doing what they've done in the last year and a half, I'm inclined to think that's the best trading partner for Calgary.

He's from Long Island. He's got a Brian Leetch vibe to him. The Rangers are right at the start of a rebuild where (good teams) covet defenders above all else. The Rangers have attractive roster players for a team wanting to win-now (the Flames) and are also willing to acquire more draft picks via trade (which benefits Calgary as they are willing to move draft picks to increase value).

Brodie + Fox + Brouwer to the Rangers for Kevin Hayes + Brendan Smith + Jesper Fast with some picks to round out the edges? Maybe the 2019 2nd Tampa gave the Rangers?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I've always thought that Buffalo would be a likely trade destination for Fox if the Flames were considering moving him, but with the Rangers doing what they've done in the last year and a half, I'm inclined to think that's the best trading partner for Calgary.

He's from Long Island. He's got a Brian Leetch vibe to him. The Rangers are right at the start of a rebuild where (good teams) covet defenders above all else. The Rangers have attractive roster players for a team wanting to win-now (the Flames) and are also willing to acquire more draft picks via trade (which benefits Calgary as they are willing to move draft picks to increase value).

Brodie + Fox + Brouwer to the Rangers for Kevin Hayes + Brendan Smith + Jesper Fast with some picks to round out the edges? Maybe the 2019 2nd Tampa gave the Rangers?

I dunno man.

Brodie = best player in the deal
Fox = best prospect in the deal

Smith is a worse boat anchor than Brouwer. You must be thinking he's salvageable or something? He finished the season in the AHL and was in the first year of a 4 year deal. Something must have went really off the rails for them to go from inking him to a 4 year deal to banishing him in the period of 6 months.

Hayes is an arbitration case, but a decent add and Fast would be a nice depth piece to bring in for sure, but I can't help but feel like Calgary is getting torched in this deal unless the picks added from the Rangers side are significant.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Rumor has it Kevin Hayes and the Rangers aren't close in contract negotiations, He plays center now but I believe he played RW with Johnny at BC.

Rangers might be interested in Brodie.

I’d give up Fox for Hayes. Fits the needs of both teams. I know Fox is a great prospect, but perhaps Hayes becomes the RW we really need for the next few years. Having his RFA rights is a bonus.