Israel declares war on Hamas

[Zoller]

Originally Posted by Pointman

I literally quoted UN report, that was meant to be pro-Palestine.

I didn't mean the report, I meant the part about who will pay for it.

Aren't you guys supposed to pay for it?

Like, don't get me wrong. I can understand not WANTING to shell out anymore of your hard earned American tax dollars. It's been a pretty expensive operation already.

But I imagine they've run the numbers and it would be cheaper in the long run to ship em all out.

Not to mention all the rebuilding contracts. Literal trillions waiting to be made there.

[Pointman]

There's a very large country that is desperate for more people. And Trump is currently negotiating with it on a separate issue. Would Russia agree to take in Palestinians as a part of Russia-Ukraine peace deal? They already took some, albeit in small numbers. Everything is possible..

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Pointman

It would not be forcible. Trump will just tell them, that the world will no longer provide them with 500 trucks of aid every day. If they want to get it, they should move to wherever he says. The aid will be directed to that place instead and they would get it there. Those who want to stay, can stay. Just don't expect a truck of free food every three minutes anymore.

Refusing aid to a group of people who have been systemically marginalized against for generations and have just lived through an almost unprecedented war unless they leave their homes feels very illegal and morally reprehensible.

You are talking about starving a population into leaving their land and have the gall to suggest that isn't forcible.

Maybe you should examine why a population needs a truck of food every three minutes and how the state of Israel contributed to that.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Refusing aid to a group of people who have been systemically marginalized against for generations and have just lived through an almost unprecedented war unless they leave their homes feels very illegal and morally reprehensible.

You are talking about starving a population into leaving their land and have the gall to suggest that isn't forcible.

Maybe you should examine why a population needs a truck of food every three minutes and how the state of Israel contributed to that.

Because they started the war to destroy Israel and lost? Or because they elected a terrorist organization as their government? The "blockade" was imposed not only by Israelis, but also by Egypt, and was actually supported by Palestinian authorities (as Hamas killed their representatives in Gaza). Nobody is starving them. Also, nobody is under obligation to spoonfed them with a free food to the tune of 500 trucks a day.

But this is actually irrelevant. It's just not possible to make a functional state of 2 millions of people on such a small land piece. No resources, barely any water, not a fertile land. You can build resorts I guess, but even tourism wouldn't support such a large population. How we arrived at this point is a different issue altogether. The land of Gaza just can't support 2 millions population, even if you build some economy, without massive free aid. It's not sustainable.

For context: Gaza's population density (5967 per sq km) is almost thousand times higher than that of Alberta (6.82 per square kilometer). It's actually four times higher than density of Calgary. It's basically a crowded piece of land in the desert where some people work as doctors, teachers or tradees, but most of them just eat aid. It's just not sustainable, whatever legal and moral reasons you may have.

If Prince Edwards Island had the same population density, its population would be over 30 millions.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

I wonder why so many people just consume aid there. Is there any chance that a country that is supported by the world's largest military drove people out of their homes, forcing them into a small stretch of land in the desert. It is a simplification of course but when there is a threat of starvation as a tool of war it needs to be met with some form of condemnation.

[SebC]

By that logic Singapore shouldn't exist either.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by SebC

By that logic Singapore shouldn't exist either.

Singapore has even a bit higher density, but it is twice larger. Singapore also is in strategic location that is vital for trade. Gaza is not.

The Port of Singapore is the second-busiest in the world by cargo tonnage and is the busiest transshipment port in the world

Singapore is also a regional, continental and global hub for the management and operations of various MNCs, because of its strategic location in close proximity with other Asia-Pacific markets, along with its advanced connectivity and infrastructure (airline hub and maritime port with a diverse array of destinations

One of the key factors contributing to Singapore's economic miracle was its strategic location, which made it an ideal hub for international trade and commerce

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Singapore

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I wonder why so many people just consume aid there. Is there any chance that a country that is supported by the world's largest military drove people out of their homes, forcing them into a small stretch of land in the desert. It is a simplification of course but when there is a threat of starvation as a tool of war it needs to be met with some form of condemnation.

It's not a tool of war. They face starvation risk because they just don't produce or sell anything and have to rely on massive amounts of aid. So what exactly is your solution? Pay for 500 trucks today, so they could live another day? And then what? Tomorrow we'll have to find someone else to pay for 500 trucks and Gaza would live yet another day. And then what? It can't continue forever without any sustainable solution in place.

[Pointman]

At least can we all agree that UN lied about "blockade" now that they admitted that 500 trucks of aid were entering daily? Not to mention that Gaza was in Israel's power grid. That does quite look like blockade, does it?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Pointman

At least can we all agree that UN lied about "blockade" now that they admitted that 500 trucks of aid were entering daily? Not to mention that Gaza was in Israel's power grid. That does quite look like blockade, does it?

Putin’s propaganda machine never quits, eh?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Pointman

On individual level, the land was purchased, as demonstrated several times in this thread, using Arabian sources:
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-208638/

Source:

Prepared for, and under the guidance of the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People


It was a peaceful transaction until 1948. Maybe starting a war with official intention to destroy a state of Israel wasn't such a good idea by Arabs, you know. They said they want to "drive the Jews into the sea" and got murdered and chased away instead. And now they claim it wasn't fair. It's, for lack of better word, childish.

https://adst.org/2013/05/the-liberat...l-may-14-1948/

Sigh.

During the foundational events of the Nakba in 1948, approximately half of Palestine's predominantly Arab population, or around 750,000 people,[19] were expelled from their homes or made to flee through various violent means, at first by Zionist paramilitaries, and after the establishment of the State of Israel, by its military. Dozens of massacres targeted Palestinian Arabs and over 500 Arab-majority towns, villages, and urban neighborhoods were depopulated,[20] with many of these being either completely destroyed or repopulated by Jews and given new Hebrew names. Israel employed biological warfare against Palestinians by poisoning village wells. By the end of the war, 78% of the total land area of the former Mandatory Palestine was controlled by Israel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba

Nov 1947 – May 1948

Small-scale local skirmishes began on 30 November and gradually escalated until March 1948.[65] When the violence started, Palestinians had already begun fleeing, expecting to return after the war.[66] The massacre and expulsion of Palestinian Arabs and destruction of villages began in December,[67] including massacres at Al-Khisas (18 December 1947),[68] and Balad al-Shaykh (31 December).[69] By March, between 70,000 and 100,000 Palestinians, mostly middle- and upper-class urban elites, were expelled or fled.[70]
In early April 1948, the Israelis launched Plan Dalet, a large-scale offensive to capture land and empty it of Palestinian Arabs.[71] During the offensive, Israel captured and cleared land that was allocated to the Palestinians by the UN partition resolution.[72] Over 200 villages were destroyed during this period.[73] Massacres and expulsions continued,[74] including at Deir Yassin (9 April 1948).[75] Arab urban neighborhoods in Tiberias (18 April), Haifa (23 April), West Jerusalem (24 April), Acre (6–18 May), Safed (10 May), and Jaffa (13 May) were depopulated.[76] Israel began engaging in biological warfare in April, poisoning the water supplies of certain towns and villages, including a successful operation that caused a typhoid epidemic in Acre in early May, and an unsuccessful attempt in Gaza that was foiled by the Egyptians in late May.[77]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_war



This all happened before the Arab nations attacked.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Pointman

At least can we all agree that UN lied about "blockade" now that they admitted that 500 trucks of aid were entering daily? Not to mention that Gaza was in Israel's power grid. That does quite look like blockade, does it?

You'll twist any tiny fact into something you can use to deny the whole, won't you? This is a profoundly Russian way of thinking, something Putin does on the regular, so I guess you are in good company.

srael has been accused of violating or failing to fulfill specific obligations it has under various ceasefire agreements[17][18][19] to alleviate or lift the blockade.[20] "Crossings were repeatedly shut and buffer zones were reinstated. Imports declined, exports were blocked, and fewer Gazans were given exit permits to Israel and the West Bank."[21][22][23][24][25][26][27] Human rights groups, international community representatives, and legal professionals have decried the blockade as a form of collective punishment in contravention of international law, specifically the Fourth Geneva Convention. Rights groups have held Israel mainly responsible as the occupying power.[28][29]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocka...the_Gaza_Strip


Oh gee, why can't they take care of themselves? They have no economy! Maybe because that was the goal of Israel? Do you suspect they had a role in that? Naw, "deport them to Russia, from which I fled so I could be a ghoul in another country and participate in their own disgusting destruction of another people."

[Zoller]

Originally Posted by Pointman

There's a very large country that is desperate for more people. And Trump is currently negotiating with it on a separate issue. Would Russia agree to take in Palestinians?

Now we're talking. This is a REAL solution.

What you posted here is what this thread SHOULD be talking about. None of this nitpicky ticky-tack bull**** I see you and Fuzz going on and on and on about...

Singapore, aid trucks, and "oh, but did you know that in nineteen tickity two the bad guys did a heckin terrorism?"...

Like guys, COME ON... You're acting like you still need to justify this?

Bibi got Trump to give the green light. Let's get these Pali's outta here!

But back to your Russia suggestion. Are there any military-aged males left in Palestine?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I have to say, after reading this page, it's refreshing to get a Zoller post that doesn't include an ominous reference to "the Jews".

[Wastedyouth]

This thread is..... interesting.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Pointman

At least can we all agree that UN lied about "blockade" now that they admitted that 500 trucks of aid were entering daily? Not to mention that Gaza was in Israel's power grid. That does quite look like blockade, does it?

Phew, good thing thye were providing power to a massive pile of rubble. All good then.

[afc wimbledon]

So if the US and Israel arent going to provide any aid at all how does Gaza survive?

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

So if the US and Israel arent going to provide any aid at all how does Gaza survive?

I think that's the point.

Trump wants a blank slate. Literally.

[Zoller]

Does anyone have an inside line on some of those rebuilding contracts?

With literal trillions of dollars to be made, I imagine there are some good stock buys out there.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Looch City

I think that's the point.

Trump wants a blank slate. Literally.

I realize that, it was meant as a honest question, no aid or pressure from the US (and their aint going to be) means Gaza cannot exist in any way I can see