Israel declares war on Hamas

[Azure]

lol.

There is nothing left of Gaza, but Biden negotiated a ceasefire. Yay, everyone wins.

Great take Fuzz.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Azure

Quite a few posters in this thread have said that Trump is going to be worse for Gaza.

Now a lot of things remain to be seen, but this is an important step.

Too bad there is nothing left of Gaza after Biden helped Israel bomb it to crap.

I don't honestly think it makes any difference for Gaza either way, the Democrats would probably help a bit with reconstruction where as Trump wont, that's about all

If Palestinians want to help themselves they need to realize they are pawns that have to be sacrificed for Iran and Hamas just as much as Bibi and Israel that no one gives a toss about their actual happiness nor are they ever getting anything back from Israel.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I don't honestly think it makes any difference for Gaza either way, the Democrats would probably help a bit with reconstruction where as Trump wont, that's about all

If Palestinians want to help themselves they need to realize they are pawns that have to be sacrificed for Iran and Hamas just as much as Bibi and Israel that no one gives a toss about their actual happiness nor are they ever getting anything back from Israel.

Right, which may lead to future....three guesses.

[Dunnyberg]

Israel can bomb Gaza all the way up to the very last day of Biden's presidency, and Biden then gets credit for the treaty. Hilarious.

BTW, Biden's entire inner cabinet is Jewish except Lloyd Austin. And kamala's husband is Jewish. Seems like a huge conflict of interest. If this was any other ethnicity it would be well known, especially if their homeland was being supplied with military weapons and $$$, but very few people seem to be aware of this fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Blinken
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Yellen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Mayorkas

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Dunnyberg

Israel can bomb Gaza all the way up to the very last day of Biden's presidency, and Biden then gets credit for the treaty. Hilarious.

BTW, Biden's entire inner cabinet is Jewish except Lloyd Austin. And kamala's husband is Jewish. Seems like a huge conflict of interest. If this was any other ethnicity it would be well known, especially if their homeland was being supplied with military weapons and $$$, but very few people seem to be aware of this fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Blinken
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Yellen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Mayorkas

Also Hunter Bidens wife is Jewish.

Still, for some reason, Trump is better for Israel. I guess, ethnicity doesn't mean much. Bernie Sanders is also Jewish and he is notoriously anti-Israel.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Ukraine is killing Russian civilians?? This is news to me.

They absolutely do. It's just doesn't get anywhere near the publicity. Partially because Moscow, unlike Hamas, is trying to downplay casualties.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-l...ights-13212230

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u...aerial-attacks

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/three-c...ernor/73060886

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Right, which may lead to future....three guesses.

it all leads to Gaza/Palestine getting all but wiped out until they accept a reservation like existence as our native population has

It sucks but it's inevitable

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Pointman

They absolutely do. It's just doesn't get anywhere near the publicity. Partially because Moscow, unlike Hamas, is trying to downplay casualties.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-l...ights-13212230

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u...aerial-attacks

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/three-c...ernor/73060886

Yeah, no. "Ukraine killing civilians" means Ukrainian authorities are actively seeking out, targeting and destroying civlian structures and persons. That is not happening.

The first link is to a story about Ukrainian drones clearly targeting infrastructure that helps the war effort, which are legitimate targets. The single civilian that was killed was clearly not targeted.

The 2nd link doesn't work.

The third link is comically bad "journalism".

Belgorod region has for months been the target of Ukrainian cross border strikes, with civilians regularly killed.

Like, what does civilians regularly killed even mean? Ukraine is murdering 5,000 Russian civilians per day?

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Also Hunter Bidens wife is Jewish.

Still, for some reason, Trump is better for Israel. I guess, ethnicity doesn't mean much. Bernie Sanders is also Jewish and he is notoriously anti-Israel.

Shout out for brining up Hunter Biden. His wife's religion has definitely played a huge role in this conflict. So glad somebody finally had the balls to say it.

A lot of what is going on today was foreshadowed in Hillary's emails...there isn't enough talk of that, either.

[Azure]

Sanders is anti-Israel? I mean he might be anti-bomb Gaza to crap.

Funny how he keeps siding with the bomb-everything Democrats on everything else though.

[CroFlames]

Bernie is probably the only pragmatic and sane politician in America.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Azure

The problem was you and many others didn't see what was right in front of you.

You were crying genocide while supporting Biden.

Can't have it both ways.

Believe it or not, there are more things going on in the world than just what happens inside Gaza.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by activeStick

God damn, even The Lancet is Hamas now, saying that the deaths reported by the Palestinian Authority are under counted. I heard The Lancet *checks notes* bankroll Hamas and um is tied to... The UN?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1877730673156329509

I call BS. They say that the actual death count is 41% higher than reported by Palestinians themselves. And they report it now. Did Lancer know it a month ago? Six months ago? The difference so large couldn't come up so late. Why didn't they say anything? In order to count death, one need to do it daily, from the very start of the war. One can't count it now that most are buried. Any number, that magically comes out at the last day of war is fishy by default.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Yeah, no. "Ukraine killing civilians" means Ukrainian authorities are actively seeking out, targeting and destroying civlian structures and persons. That is not happening.

The first link is to a story about Ukrainian drones clearly targeting infrastructure that helps the war effort, which are legitimate targets. The single civilian that was killed was clearly not targeted.

The 2nd link doesn't work.

The third link is comically bad "journalism". Like, what does civilians regularly killed even mean? Ukraine is murdering 5,000 Russian civilians per day?

The first story is about several Ukrainian drones striking several residential buildins, killing one woman in process. They didn't try to target any military infrastructure, there's none in Moscow.

Here's another link for the same news as in the second link

https://www.voanews.com/a/ukrainian-...s/7902088.html

Third link is not a bad journalism, Ukrainian drone strike killed 3 civilians in Belgorod. If you google the text, you'd see others reporting the same.

Ukraine does systematically attack Russian civilian structures, including smashing drones against residential buildings and blocking the civilian airports, although it does not seek to kill civilians per se and death toll from such attacks is notably small. Most likely, their goal is to scare a population, diminish a support for the war - however small at the first place - and hopefully create some kind of public unrest.

Even in rhe western media you could find number of reports on it, such as

https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainia...-media-report/


https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/russ...attack-6420941

Interestingly how Russian authorities themselves downplayed it, saying that the building was hit by "falling debris" of a drone, even though it is obviously not the case:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ys-2024-08-26/


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66094744

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Bernie is probably the only pragmatic and sane politician in America.

I guess we can agree on that everyone aside from Bernie is not sane. Whether Bernie himself is sane is a different issue.

[WCW Nitro]

Wait, I thought Israel only targets militants and all houses, hospitals, refugee camps, etc which were bombed had to be because militants were "embedded" there.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-jok...E9N-M6n3-ySH3g

"When I went to Israel immediately after the attack led by Hamas, eight days later or whatever it was, I told him that we were going to help,” Biden told MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell. “And I said, ‘But Bibi, you can’t be carpet bombing these communities.’ And he said to me, ‘Well you did it. You carpet bombed Berlin. You dropped a nuclear weapon. You killed thousands of innocent people because you had to in order to win a war.’”

[Pointman]

See. As soon, as Gazans had begun to release hostages, the bombing stopped.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Wait, I thought Israel only targets militants and all houses, hospitals, refugee camps, etc which were bombed had to be because militants were "embedded" there.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-jok...E9N-M6n3-ySH3g

"When I went to Israel immediately after the attack led by Hamas, eight days later or whatever it was, I told him that we were going to help,” Biden told MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell. “And I said, ‘But Bibi, you can’t be carpet bombing these communities.’ And he said to me, ‘Well you did it. You carpet bombed Berlin. You dropped a nuclear weapon. You killed thousands of innocent people because you had to in order to win a war.’”

What I said all along:

1. The bombing was not stopping because Gazans still held hostages, not as a kind of punishment or cleansing.

2. Wars are fought until surrender, not until some arbitrary death toll threshold is reached.

3. Wars are fought nation vs nation rather than army vs army. Nobody fights a war in kids gloves, ever. Nobody gives rat's tail about Geneva convention. Not USA, not Ukraine and not Israel. And surely not Gazans.

It's just the reality, like it or not. It's not even my "views". It's what it is.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Pointman

See. As soon, as Gazans had begun to release hostages, the bombing stopped.

Lol that says lot when you say "Gazans" have released the hostage and not Hamas.

They're one and the same though, it's an easy mistake, I know.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Shout out for brining up Hunter Biden. His wife's religion has definitely played a huge role in this conflict. So glad somebody finally had the balls to say it.

A lot of what is going on today was foreshadowed in Hillary's emails...there isn't enough talk of that, either.

Pretty funny that this post gets a bunch of thanks, while the post below goes unremarked.

Originally Posted by Dunnyberg

Israel can bomb Gaza all the way up to the very last day of Biden's presidency, and Biden then gets credit for the treaty. Hilarious.

BTW, Biden's entire inner cabinet is Jewish except Lloyd Austin. And kamala's husband is Jewish. Seems like a huge conflict of interest. If this was any other ethnicity it would be well known, especially if their homeland was being supplied with military weapons and $$$, but very few people seem to be aware of this fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Blinken
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Yellen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_Mayorkas

Going to the Republican playbook on Hunter Biden = contemptible.

Naked anti-semitism = cool, cool, cool