Israel declares war on Hamas

[activeStick]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crke088e27lo

Israeli air strikes are continuing in Gaza ahead of the ceasefire agreement and hostage deal with Hamas, which comes into effect on Sunday, subject to the Israeli cabinet's approval.

The strikes killed 73 people overnight, following the announcement of the deal, Gaza's Hamas-run civil defence agency reported.

Victims include 12 people who were living in a residential block in the Sheikh Radwan neighbourhood of Gaza City, the health ministry said.

I guess the cease fire isn't until Sunday, so it's one last opportunity for Israel to kill more civilians in Gaza.

The Israeli Defence Forces initially said "a fallen projectile" had been identified in southern Israel on Thursday, but later said it had been wrongly identified.

Oops! Honest mistake. I guess this fallen projectile which turned out to be a leaf which kicked off the IDF strike was an honest mistake.

A doctor in Gaza City's Baptist Hospital said staff "did not rest for one minute" during the "bloody night".

"The injured kept on coming," Dr Amjad Eliwah told the BBC. "The dead were sent directly to the morgue."

He said "for a little while, everyone was happy and joyful", following news of the ceasefire.

"Then the same people who were happy were dead."

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Pointman

To be fair, all people are like this, not just politicians. Look no further than CalgaryPuck.

Ukrainians are killing russians civilians, although Russia has a separate army, that wears uniform.

CP: "They have every right to do it, Russia is an aggressor, their whole population is responsible"

Israel is killing Gaza civilians, while Hamas hides among them and doesn't wear uniform.

CP: "Oh, what a genocide! What a horrible crimes by Israel! Civilians are innocent, how dare them!"

Me: " But isn't it a little bit inconsistent?"

CP: "Shut up you GHOUL!"

Ukraine is killing Russian civilians?? This is news to me.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Ukraine is killing Russian civilians?? This is news to me.

It’s news to you because western news has a bias! What a shocker!

Media framing with black and white narratives.

The media here is obviously going to align with Ukraine. A Ukrainian misstep might challenge the narrative of being the heroic underdog.

[Fuzz]

Netanyahu Postpones Gaza Ceasefire Deal Over Hamas 'Last Minute Crisis'

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office announced Thursday that his Cabinet will not convene to approve the Gaza ceasefire agreement due to what it described as a "last-minute crisis" caused by Hamas.

The statement accused Hamas of reneging on parts of the agreement in a bid "to extort last-minute concessions."

Netanyahu's office accused Hamas of reneging on an earlier agreement granting Israel a veto over which prisoners convicted of murder would be released in exchange for hostages. This disagreement has delayed the Israeli Cabinet's approval of the ceasefire deal.

https://www.newsweek.com/netanyahu-p...crisis-2015854

Well that was short lived...

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

It’s news to you because western news has a bias! What a shocker!

Media framing with black and white narratives.

The media here is obviously going to align with Ukraine. A Ukrainian misstep might challenge the narrative of being the heroic underdog.

No, no. Only the other countries media outlets are propoganda. Not the western ones, only Russia and China and whoever else is on "the other side". People in the west are not biased and do not read biased framing in the media. US propoganda is not a thing and they are not the best ones at it.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.newsweek.com/netanyahu-p...crisis-2015854

Well that was short lived...

Mother ####ers man.

[Looch City]

They just need to kill a few more children first to round up to an even number and then they'll ceasefire.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

It’s news to you because western news has a bias! What a shocker!

Media framing with black and white narratives.

The media here is obviously going to align with Ukraine. A Ukrainian misstep might challenge the narrative of being the heroic underdog.

I'm happy to read sources on atrocities committed by Ukrainians but I just haven't seen any. Do you have any?

Ukraine was invaded by an aggressor nation - that is not a narrative.

[PepsiFree]

It definitely didn’t give me any comfort when the Israel official said no deal had been agreed to and negotiations were ongoing despite other officials saying the deal was done, and I guess now we know why.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by activeStick

No, no. Only the other countries media outlets are propoganda. Not the western ones, only Russia and China and whoever else is on "the other side". People in the west are not biased and do not read biased framing in the media. US propoganda is not a thing and they are not the best ones at it.

I mean, please point out the positive things Russia is doing in Ukraine since I am so brainwashed by propaganda.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I mean, please point out the positive things Russia is doing in Ukraine since I am so brainwashed by propaganda.

Zero, in my opinion.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

It’s news to you because western news has a bias! What a shocker!

Media framing with black and white narratives.

The media here is obviously going to align with Ukraine. A Ukrainian misstep might challenge the narrative of being the heroic underdog.

I mean, this is about the most black and white war that has been undertaken in the last 50 years, outside of Operation Desert Storm.

Edit: just realized im in the Israel/Hamas thread. ill see myself out.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It definitely didn’t give me any comfort when the Israel official said no deal had been agreed to and negotiations were ongoing despite other officials saying the deal was done, and I guess now we know why.

Ya, and is it really Hammas tanking this with changing demands, or is it Bibi can't convince enough hardliners in government to stop killing and maiming children? To be clear, either option looks very bad. But with organizations of terror, it's kinda on brand and expected.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I mean, this is about the most black and white war that has been undertaken in the last 50 years, outside of Operation Desert Storm.

Edit: just realized im in the Israel/Hamas thread. ill see myself out.

Ya i kinda brought this over. But ya, Russia is primarily a bully country. I’m just saying there is always nuance. This didn’t just start the day Russia invaded. It dates back to at least 2014

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, and is it really Hammas tanking this with changing demands, or is it Bibi can't convince enough hardliners in government to stop killing and maiming children? To be clear, either option looks very bad. But with organizations of terror, it's kinda on brand and expected.

I'm guessing Hamas is angling for any scrap of positive to sell Gazans and Bibi will use anything to shut the deal down, the question will be how pissed does Israel want Trump now that he has claimed the deal for his own

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I'm guessing Hamas is angling for any scrap of positive to sell Gazans and Bibi will use anything to shut the deal down, the question will be how pissed does Israel want Trump now that he has claimed the deal for his own

I read somewhere that Hamas tried changing things at the very last minute of the deal (before it was announced), but who knows what is actually happening.

I doubt that Israel would want to give any last minute concessions.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

I read somewhere that Hamas tried changing things at the very last minute of the deal (before it was announced), but who knows what is actually happening.

I doubt that Israel would want to give any last minute concessions.

It's in the article I posted:

Netanyahu's office accused Hamas of reneging on an earlier agreement granting Israel a veto over which prisoners convicted of murder would be released in exchange for hostages. This disagreement has delayed the Israeli Cabinet's approval of the ceasefire deal.

But I posed my later question, because I'm not going to take Bibi's word for what actually occurred. I wouldn't doubt either option.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure

Well the US State Department is saying the Trump team was critical in getting the deal done so I guess a lot of people on here are going to eat crow.

Now we'll just have to see how long the ceasefire actually lasts.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1879608961730834729

"Well, you know, this is the exact framework of the deal I proposed back in May. Exact. And we got the world to endorse it. Secondly, it's America's support for Israel that help them badly weaken Hamas and its backers and create the conditions for this deal."

"And thirdly, I knew this deal would have to be implemented by the next team, so i told my team to coordinate closely with the incoming team to make sure we're all speaking with the same voice, because that's what American presidents do."

Oh look, an adult in the room. For a few more minutes.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'll wait for the list of posters and posts showing exactly who was saying whatever you are suggesting was said. Sounds like it is a long one.

Quite a few posters in this thread have said that Trump is going to be worse for Gaza.

Now a lot of things remain to be seen, but this is an important step.

Too bad there is nothing left of Gaza after Biden helped Israel bomb it to crap.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Well, if it's true that Trump and his people had a lot to do with this peace deal... you combine that with Biden continuing to shovel huge amounts of offensive weaponry to the IDF even after the electoral consequences of stopping those shipments had passed...

All I can say is, Biden and the people around him have lost a lot of credibility. The way he stayed on too long and only gave the Democratic Party 3 months to frantically cobble together a bid for the White House, will be what he's remembered for more than anything else.

Don't get me wrong, he did a lot of good things during his presidency. But ultimately it won't be the first thing most people think of when they remember him. And I have to admit, I thought his continued sending of destructive weapons to Israel was because of the electoral consequences of putting his foot down. But, evidently, it wasn't about that...

The problem was you and many others didn't see what was right in front of you.

You were crying genocide while supporting Biden.

Can't have it both ways.