Trump apologists will suspend all reason to continue their self delusion. They like him because he says he hates everything they hate, and hate is all they have. And they will get to keep their guns.
Of course he dominates the news cycle. He's the Republican nominee, and he repeatedly suggested that the current president founded a terrorist army and that the approaching election is rigged. Those are serious, and seriously stupid, allegations. The media is this, the media is that bla bla bla, but they can't just ignore this kind of thing.
He's no longer a fringe player. He's going to get coverage. We can't roll our eyes any more and just say they should ignore the crazy things he says and he'll go away.
that's fine and all that bla bla bla
But ask 20 people about the US election last week and see how many could tell you what Clinton did.
A key part of Trump's strategy is to keep the spotlight off of his opponents at all costs
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M.E. proxy war isn't an exception, its the rule. The state dept. has been overthrowing govt's and setting up puppets in the region for... I dont know? 40 years? Think people would have figured it out by now.
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Even though he says he only wanted steak and potatoes, he was aware of all the rapes.
The mental gymnastics required for the position is mind bottling
Like I say, meddling in M.E. affairs over control of minerals has been a staple of US foreign policy for decades. If you want to throw the Bush administration under the bus I'll give you a hand.
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Even though he says he only wanted steak and potatoes, he was aware of all the rapes.
Like I say, meddling in M.E. affairs over control of minerals has been a staple of US foreign policy for decades. If you want to throw the Bush administration under the bus I'll give you a hand.
I'm not saying they're not involved, and I'm not existing their actions based on others.
I'm saying that in order to say "They founded isis because they left a power vacuum", then you have to have about 1500 other co-founders
I'm not saying they're not involved, and I'm not existing their actions based on others.
I'm saying that in order to say "They founded isis because they left a power vacuum", then you have to have about 1500 other co-founders
Where would you like to start?
At some point we can hold someones feet to the fire or... not. Going back to LBJ but that would be kinda pointless.
The Russians, Great Britain, the CIA, France, NATO, UN... they all play a part. But when those "moderate rebel forces" steamroll Iraq, commandeer US goodies and start running roughshod all over the northern horn of Africa maybe it's time we get the hell out of the M.E?
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Even though he says he only wanted steak and potatoes, he was aware of all the rapes.
At some point we can hold someones feet to the fire or... not. Going back to LBJ but that would be kinda pointless.
The Russians, Great Britain, the CIA, France, NATO, UN... they all play a part. But when those "moderate rebel forces" steamroll Iraq, commandeer US goodies and start running roughshod all over the northern horn of Africa maybe it's time we get the hell out of the M.E?
I totally agree, but that's not relevant to the argument. At all.
When the guy who wanted troops out of the middle east gets called the "Founder of ISIS" by the guy who wanted troops out of the middle east, you can't say there's a point to be made. There isn't. He's wrong.
M.E. proxy war isn't an exception, its the rule. The state dept. has been overthrowing govt's and setting up puppets in the region for... I dont know? 40 years? Think people would have figured it out by now.
So how is 40 years ago Obama's fault? It's been going on since the demise of the Ottoman Empire.
But ask 20 people about the US election last week and see how many could tell you what Clinton did.
A key part of Trump's strategy is to keep the spotlight off of his opponents at all costs
Which would explain why he's getting his ass kicked in the polls. He has a highly disliked opponent yet all he does is remind people he's one of the people in the world who is even less likable than she is. If this is his "strategy" it totally sucks. More than likely it's not his strategy or his campaign's strategy, rather this is just who Trump is, he cannot check his ego for three days, let alone three weeks, let alone the three months we have to go. If he could he might have a prayer.
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I totally agree, but that's not relevant to the argument. At all.
When the guy who wanted troops out of the middle east gets called the "Founder of ISIS" by the guy who wanted troops out of the middle east, you can't say there's a point to be made. There isn't. He's wrong.
Thats fair.
Now to play devils advocate here, I can just as easily say from your post that "the guy who wanted troops out and didn't fund ISIS" has been a colossal failure, since western troops are still dying in a never ending war in the ME theater, and despite not directly funding ISIS they somehow are walking around in American kit on one giant thrill kill.
You are right Trump is a simpleton who is wrong, but Obamas state dept, through consultation with western forces laid a big greasy turd, and that turd called itself ISIS.
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Even though he says he only wanted steak and potatoes, he was aware of all the rapes.
So how is 40 years ago Obama's fault? It's been going on since the demise of the Ottoman Empire.
The last 40 years isn't Obamas fault.
But according to Dems, neither are the last 8 years. It was Bush.
So I guess we can continue to point fingers at one another while young people are out dying in a war they never wanted, all for control of ME state resources.
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Even though he says he only wanted steak and potatoes, he was aware of all the rapes.
Not really - I appreciate his work, but I find it tough to sit through.
Fair enough, to each their own. Some of his work is quite tedious to enjoy. Full Metal Jacket was anything but. Oddly enough things slowed down once they hit 'Nam. Kubrick was brilliant.
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Even though he says he only wanted steak and potatoes, he was aware of all the rapes.
Directly or indirectly they created a power vacuum condition that allowed ISIS to exist in the first place.
These are some funky looking AK's dont you think?
For a guy that appears well read on these things, it's totally disingenuous to perpetuate this mostly right-wing meme that it was all Obama and the only factor was his, and his alone, decision. The facts are the Iraqi's wanted the Americans out and they had withdrawn legal protection from US forces. This means that ANY Presdident would have been forced into the same decision. The idea that leading Republicans like John McCain spew this revisionist crap is actually pretty revolting. Maybe Bush should have gone in with some kind of a long term plan with a real exit plan, but no, it's Obama's fault. You know, the guy who said it was a mistake from the beginning.
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Now to play devils advocate here, I can just as easily say from your post that "the guy who wanted troops out and didn't fund ISIS" has been a colossal failure, since western troops are still dying in a never ending war in the ME theater, and despite not directly funding ISIS they somehow are walking around in American kit on one giant thrill kill.
You are right Trump is a simpleton who is wrong, but Obamas state dept, through consultation with western forces laid a big greasy turd, and that turd called itself ISIS.
Once the Dumb 'tards in the Bush Cheney regime destabilized the region there was only ever the choice of staying there forever at vast cost of blood and money or leaving knowing full well it would devolve into a anarchic proto state full of bad guys.
It's NIreland for the U.S., there's no long term solution.
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Kubrick was brilliant.
