[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Stampede2TheCup

Betfair is an example which I've used in the past, and it's still an option if you live in country outside Canada that's allows bettors from your country. It's an ever changing landscape and I don't keep up with all of the sites. You obviously didn't take the advice to Google "betting market" or "betting exchange", as they don't work like standard sportsbooks.

There are also methods do what you're saying on normal sportsbooks that would involve multiple bets. There's a plethora of information about it on the internet. I'm not going to argue anymore about it with someone who won't do a simple Google search and will still argue stubbornly when they don't know that they're talking about.

So you still have nothing.

Thanks

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Freeway

It's the offer.

I trust my source

[Stampede2TheCup]

Originally Posted by Spurs

So you still have nothing.

Thanks

I've got plenty, including the ability to do a Google search. Thanks!

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Nope

The one thing we do know is that mediocrity is no the path to success. Rebuilding is far from a guarantee of success but sticking with mediocrity is a guarantee to not win a Cup.

If blind hope and delusion works for you great, I do not find that enjoyable or fun in any way.

It’s not blind hope and delusion, it’s just not throwing an extended temper tantrum that gets triggered every time you’re delivered any indication that you’re not going to get what you want when it was made clear from the beginning that you weren’t going to get it. Most people eventually figure out it’s not coming, get over it, and adjust their expectations. They don’t whine about it every single day.

Hockey is fun. It’s entertainment. If you’re struggling with that because you’re not getting your way, maybe you could find a new hobby? It’s not like you’re adding anything people are going to miss. I know, I know, you have some weird reason you need to tell people you’re a Flames fan even though you don’t actually enjoy it. But you really could just do anything else.

It’s nice that you think the team is mediocre. Cool. Now adjust your expectations accordingly and try to enjoy yourself. Otherwise you just look silly.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

There isn't a set recipe to winning the cup. There's a reason it's rare a presidents trophy winner actually wins it.

With the notable exception of the Pens the second time there does seem to be a template though. Average age of the top 12 playoff scorers for the last 8 Cup winners below

Vegas - 27.8
Colorado - average age of top 12 playoff scorers 25.8
Tampa second time - 26.8
Tampa first time - 26.3
St Louis -26.8
Pittsburgh second time - 28.8
Pittsburgh first time - 26.6
Chicago last time - 27.8

The average for your top two thirds of your offensive lineup is between 26 to 28 years of age. Right now the Flames would have the following guys older than 28 who could reasonably be expected to be in their top 12 playoff scorers

Lindholm - 29 if they won next year
Kadri - 33 if they win next year
Backlund - 35 if they win next year
Huberdeau - 30 if they won next year
Coleman - 32 if they win next year
Weegar - 30 if they win next year

Average age - 31.5

To even equal the highest age in the past 8 cup winners the average age of the other 6 players would have to be 26.1

Other guys who could be expected to be in that group

Andersson - 27 if they win it next year
Dube - 25 if they win it next year
Mangiapane - 27 if they win it next year
Yegor - 25 if they win it next year

The Flames could possibly be slightly younger than the oldest team to win a Cup in the last 8 years if they do it next year and would certainly be older than any of the other 7 teams. Bottom line is old teams do not win Cups anymore. So there is a template, it is generally to have a younger team with the core guys being under 30 with the bulk of your teams top 9 forwards and top 3 dmen being under the age of 28, averaging out somewhere between 26 and 28.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Spurs

So you still have nothing.

Thanks

Of course you can bet on teams to not win the cup . The sports books want to lay opposite side of the bets

So the Flames are paying approx +4000 to win the cup right now depending what site you use

In 5 minutes of looking I see I can get -6000 not to win the cup

So you’re paying 60$ to win $1 . So are really that confident in the Flames not winning the cup to bet $6000 to win $100?

Bookies are actually the most terrified of a long shot winning the championship and try to lay the opposite side . Vegas almost winning the cup in the first year would had been one of if not the largest lost in sports book history

But there’s a reason no one with a brain does these bets

To tie up $6000 for the length of the season I would make more then $100 with todays interest rates in a high yield savings account

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I trust my source

I really hope you're right. I have no idea why the Flames don't say bye to him. It sucks they have so many old guys locked up but this is a bad idea to even lock him up if he's asking for 6 years at $8.5M. Imagine what percentage of the cap will be our seniors in 4 years? Terrible management no matter if the cap goes up or not.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Of course you can bet on teams to not win the cup . The sports books want to lay opposite side of the bets

So the Flames are paying approx +4000 to win the cup right now depending what site you use

In 5 minutes of looking I see I can get -6000 not to win the cup

So you’re paying 60$ to win $1 . So are really that confident in the Flames not winning the cup to bet $6000 to win $100?

Bookies are actually the most terrified of a long shot winning the championship and try to lay the opposite side . Vegas almost winning the cup in the first year would had been one of if not the largest lost in sports book history

But there’s a reason no one with a brain does these bets

To tie up $6000 for the length of the season I would make more the $100 with todays interest rates in a high yield savings account

But what should someone do if they actually don't want to put their money where their mouth is? Asking for a friend.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Of course you can bet on teams to not win the cup . The sports books want to lay opposite side of the bets

So the Flames are paying approx +4000 to win the cup right now depending what site you use

In 5 minutes of looking I see I can get -6000 not to win the cup

So you’re paying 60$ to win $1 . So are really that confident in the Flames not winning the cup to bet $6000 to win $100?

Bookies are actually the most terrified of a long shot winning the championship and try to lay the opposite side . Vegas almost winning the cup in the first year would had been one of if not the largest lost in sports book history

But there’s a reason no one with a brain does these bets

To tie up $6000 for the length of the season I would make more then $100 with todays interest rates in a high yield savings account

Yes so what I said you have to bet a ton to get very little back. So no you aren't making a killing making those bets

Thank you for verifying what I said.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

True, after his big year any team in the NHL could have signed him for $7 mil but only one GM was dumb enough to do that.

In two years nobody will want to spend their new found cap extravaganza on Kadri. They'll give it to guys they drafted who earned it there. That's what good teams do.

Like Vegas? Or Florida?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I trust my source

What is your soruces saying? Lindholm is holding out for more money?

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Like Vegas? Or Florida?

Florida made the tough decisions. Trade 2 nearly 30 year olds on expiring contracts that they didn't want to sign over 30 contracts to for a young star. May not pay off for them, but these are the tough decisions good teams make...

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Spurs

LOL

So no you don't know of any place that you can bet for teams to not win the Cup? That is what I thought.

Originally Posted by Spurs

So you still have nothing.

Thanks

Originally Posted by Spurs

Yes so what I said you have to bet a ton to get very little back. So no you aren't making a killing making those bets

Thank you for verifying what I said.

I'm trying to figure out if you're being intentionally obtuse, or you forgot what you were discussing.

Plenty of places to bet on non-winners. If the return isn't to your liking, don't bet. It's up to you.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I'm trying to figure out if you're being intentionally obtuse, or you forgot what you were discussing.

Plenty of places to bet on non-winners. If the return isn't to your liking, don't bet. It's up to you.

I said in the original post that the odds for the places that do allow you to make would not allow you to make a killing.

Maybe instead of cherry picking posts read the whole conversation or stay out of it.

Edit:

And yes that was the point I won't bet it because it won't make me a killing like the poster said to me.

[bluejays]

Guys, relax. Wide views or opinions aren't a bad thing...just roll with it.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Stampede2TheCup

You must make a killing at sports betting being able to predict things like this with such certainty.

Originally Posted by Spurs

Do they have odds that teams won't win the Stanley Cup?

I am not a bettor but if they do and you can make a killing as you say let me know where.

Kootenay

Here are the posts you may have missed, I clearly state if there is a place you can make a killing at it.

I think we can agree if you are betting $6000 to win $100 that is not making a killing at anything.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Florida made the tough decisions. Trade 2 nearly 30 year olds on expiring contracts that they didn't want to sign over 30 contracts to for a young star. May not pay off for them, but these are the tough decisions good teams make...

This can't be repeated enough; This is actually a strategy some teams use while others hang on to certain players too long missing out on the goal while losing out on replenishing those cupboards. We need to develop from within, restock and replenish, while moving out older declineing assets. Flames are still kind of tied to those declining assets and the potential is there to make it worse if they are not careful.

[Ferarri]

I appreciate Conroy wanting to do things differently and has brought a ton of good will forward by not presenting Lindholm with a decision date yet but this needs to be addressed sooner rather than later. The Lindholm camp knows the Flames are desperate to retain talent and have identified Lindholm as a core piece moving forward. They have a lot of leverage at the moment but there needs to be some tough negotiating the other way (even if you run the risk of losing the player).

Personally I’m in the camp of not offering that kind of money to a player nearing 30. As others have mentioned there are some bad contracts on this team and investing this type of money into a team that’s likely not going to be contenders in the division is not a smart play.

He’s definitely a good player but I’m worried about his production. Sure last year was a disaster from pretty much everyone and the environment was a concern but you still need to be aware of the fact that he was a 64 point player. I’m sure he can rebound, as will others but the chemistry with Gaudreau and Tkachuk and the numbers he put up with those two might not be seen again. If that’s the case then the contract is not cap friendly.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Yes so what I said you have to bet a ton to get very little back. So no you aren't making a killing making those bets

Thank you for verifying what I said.

LOL. I never said someone could make a killing specifically betting against teams to win the cup. Only one out of 32 team wins. Any old pessimist can predict against a team winning the cup. However, if you can be so certain the Flames will be the 4th in the division, you should be able to find all kinds of profitable bets in other spots. But if you’re just a negative troll who can’t be bothered to do a Google search, then, of course you won’t make a killing at sports betting.

Originally Posted by Stampede2TheCup

You must make a killing at sports betting being able to predict things like this with such certainty.

I’m really done with this now. I hope Lindholm signs!

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Pens won their last Cup when Crosby was 29 and Malkin was 30.

Hawks won their last Cup when Toews was 26 and Kane was 25

Super rare for teams to win Cups when their top guys are in their 30’s, it does not happen much.

And we don't even have superstars in their 30's, we're going to have an average core in their 30's.