[News] UPD: Tkachuk arbitration hearing set for Aug 11

[GullFoss]

I'm surprised Columbus isn't in the mix. Columbus is close to St Louis. But not too close lol.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I personally do not think I could do better than the current GM (despite Gio4PM encouraging me to apply for the job). I think any other GM in hockey would have handled this better. You always need to trust the professionals and the Flames should hire one to be their GM.

Yes, my point is that you know basically nothing about what actually happened throughout these negotiations so you are in no position to actually say he did a horrible job with it. It's a #### position to be in right now, but I have no idea who's fault it is because I don't know anything about what actually happened, except for rumours and assumptions.

[flamesrule_kipper34]

I have to say, I'm genuinely surprised there are 0 leaks from either camp and other teams right now.

Even with 'insiders' being no vacation, you still will see them poke their nose around here and there and post cryptic comments. And I'm not including Francis who's wild speculation basically made all local reports run with the same speculation.

Makes me wonder how tight-lipped/things are going right now. I genuinely get the feeling that both sides are both a) hammering something out to see if an extension can be made and b) Tre is working the phone lines with only a couple of teams (vs. league-wide) to max out the best deal he can to see what his best option may be prior to arb.

[CliffFletcher]

Salvian in the Athletic has some more realistic trade scenarios than the fan ones. Uses the Eichel trade, with a discount for position, as the basis.

For example gives Kyrou + Neighbours or Bolduc for the Blues.

https://theathletic.com/3436559/2022...-flames-blues/

The problem with a lot of scenarios is cap space. Which is why NJD and DET seem like strong contenders. For example, Vrana + Hronek + picks.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Salvian in the Athletic has some more realistic trade scenarios than the fan ones. Uses the Eichel trade, with a discount for position, as the basis.

For example gives Kyrou + Neighbours or Bolduc for the Blues.

https://theathletic.com/3436559/2022...-flames-blues/

The problem with a lot of scenarios is cap space. Which is why NJD and DET seem like strong contenders. For example, Vrana + Hronek + picks.

Lol I'd rather they hold on for the trade deadline if that Detroit proposal is the best they get. Woof

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

T
Trelving will take the best offer and doesn't owe Tkachuk a free ticket home by any means.

Of course he doesn't, but any team that doesn't sign him to an immediate extension will give up less, perhaps substantially less, based on him being a possible rental.

The best offer likely includes an extension.

Once Tkachuk signs a 1-year contract with Calgary through arbitration or otherwise, he can't be traded with an extension in place until Jan 1.

[Macman]

I’m still hopeful that Tkachuk will re-sign here but this is a good move by the Flames.

Which teams have the cap space and assets, especially if Tkachuk wants to go to a particular team?

The Flames really need to get this arena deal figured out already, how are you going to keep players here in the future even if you’re able to draft and aquire via trade, they’ll just move on in free agency like we’re seeing now.

Makes you appreciate Iginla that much more, I get a bit of that from Tkachuk and that’s why I think he might still stay.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Lol I'd rather they hold on for the trade deadline if that Detroit proposal is the best they get. Woof

I don't know, Vrana is a 26 year old goal scorer and god knows Calgary will need help in that department now. Hronek is 24 and was about .5 points/game last year from the blueline. If there was a decent pick involved I'd think Treliving would look hard at it.

[Nelson]

I also hope Tkachuk re-signs. Tkachuk is elite. But Boomer’s tweets, Francis’ article, and Steinberg’s interview yesterday have me expecting a trade.

[Bonded]

That Detroit trade would be Phaneuf 2.0 and my worst case scenario. Vrana is often injured and reached 20 goal twice in his career. If they could get an unprotected 1st round then that would be the gamble they are taking. Hronek stats are good but no idea if he a good dman. It would be a tire spinning trade where the team doesn't get younger and gets worse.

[CGY12]

An unprotected 1st must be include.

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549749177868898305

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bonded

That Detroit trade would be Phaneuf 2.0 and my worst case scenario. Vrana is often injured and reached 20 goal twice in his career. If they could get an unprotected 1st round then that would be the gamble they are taking. Hronek stats are good but no idea if he a good dman. It would be a tire spinning trade where the team doesn't get younger and gets worse.

Hronek is a nice, smallish offensive defenceman on a bad team who puts up points. 38 and 26 points in the last two years. Vrana has played 76 games in the last 3 seasons combined. That Detroit trade would be worse than the Phaneuf trade.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1549749177868898305

Here's hoping that is the case.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by CGY12

An unprotected 1st must be include.

Why are you tempting the monkey's paw with a statement like that?

Now Treliving will trade Tkachuk + Cgy's unprotected 1st for something.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Hronek is a nice, smallish offensive defenceman on a bad team who puts up points. 38 and 26 points in the last two years. Vrana has played 76 games in the last 3 seasons combined. That Detroit trade would be worse than the Phaneuf trade.

Yup, I'd rather the Flames gamble on the trade deadline if that is the case

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CGY12

An unprotected 1st must be include.

I think that there is a better chance he'll sign with Calgary long term than Calgary will get an unprotected 1st round pick in a trade (at least top 3 protection).

[devo22]

just for fun:

CAR: tough one because they surely would have to balance cap. Probably have to include Teravainen because of that, who is too good to be a cap dump either. Jarvis is who I'd ideally want, but something around Teravainen and Necas could work.

NYR: another tough one due to cap. Their young lottery picks haven't really panned out so far, but I still think there's upside with Kakko's game and he might benefit from a change of scenery. Othmann is the prospect I'd want. Throw in picks and try to make the cap work, but it'd need to be creative.

PIT: not interested. Their cupboards are bare and they don't have young core pieces either. Pass.

WSH: only marginally better than Pittsburgh. Lapierre is interesting, but that's about it. Pass.

NYI: there's some pieces. Wahlstrom has upside and Raty is an interesting prospect. Throw in a roster player like Beauvillier and a couple of picks and it's starting to get somewhere. More of a quantity over quality package though and thata's not all that enticing, if you think about it.

CBJ: now this is an interesting one for obvious reasons. Another cap nightmare though, so we'd probably have to take back a contract like Nyquist. Johnson has to be in the deal or bust, and I want Ceulemans and a pick too. They'd have some pieces, but it'd have to be creative.

NJ: one of the more obvious and enticing options. Mercer is the one I want, but Bratt and Holtz are nice pieces too in case they'd shut the door on Mercer. Either way, they have the pieces to make it work and they are a very interesting dance partner.

PHI: another cap nightmare, but taking on JVR could work - selling him at the deadline could give us more futures. One of Konecny or Farabee would have to be in the deal for sure, along with prospects and/or picks. There's surely more interesting options out there though, both for the Flames and Tkachuk himself.

FLA: probably not a good fit after they have traded away so many 1sts. Lundell is the guy I'd want, but as for other pieces, it's a difficult fit.

TOR: yet another difficult cap situation. Nylander is the obvious piece coming back, but I'd want a number of prospects and picks on top of that. Do you take a flyer on Liljegren or Sandin? Not all that enticing.

TB: don't see an option here after they've re-signed so many players long-term. Pass.

BOS: an interesting one because Pastrnak is UFA next season. One big-name UFA for another one, if you get him to sign? Probably unlikely. Lysell is the prospect I'd have some interest in, but other than that, not a lot of enticing pieces.

BUF: some interesting pieces, namely Cozens, Quinn and Peterka. Maybe a youngish roster player like Jokiharju or Asplund? There's piece to work with, and for once cap is not an issue here. Not sure Tkachuk would be interested though.

DET: not sure I see a fit there, surely doesn't fit their timeline. They have young pieces, but I'd expect Yzerman to keep drafting their core at this point instead of trading a couple of them for Tkachuk.

OTT: tough one. I don't touch Batherson or Formenton right now, for obvious reasons. Without them, it's difficult to come up with something.

MTL: another one where I don't think it'd fit their timeline. Caufield would have to be included, but I don't really see a deal there.

COL: doubt it's an option with the cap and everything, but if it was, I'd want Newhook in the deal for sure. Maybe someone like Girard to help with the cap? Picks, prospects. There's pieces.

MIN: The Austrian in me wants Rossi, of course. Dumba with a contract extension? Picks, prospects again. Cap needs to be figured out too, but if Dumba is in the deal, it's less of a concern.

STL: another obvious one and it starts with Kyrou (if you're 100% sure there's no Hockey Canada cloud over him). Neighbours is the prospect I'd want. There's options here though, including roster players like Krug, Perunovich and Tarasenko. Either way, there's certainly a deal to be made.

DAL: sneaky interesting option, even if you assume Robertson and Hintz are untouchable. Johnston, Bourque and Stankoven are all very intriguing prospects. Lindell to make the cap work? Picks, prospects.

NSH: another sneaky interesting option. I'd want Tomasino in the deal, but they have other youngish roster players (Jeannot, Carrier) and decent prospects (L'Heureux, Evangelista) too.

WPG: tough fit. Depending on the direction the Flames want to go, does Scheifele make sense? If not, I don't see many options. Probably pass.

CHI: don't see a fit with them currently.

ARI: see Chicago.

[Azure]

Well if he does resign I think we can all agree he's doing it with a big chip on his shoulder to come back and prove he is the guy, and this is his team.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Salvian in the Athletic has some more realistic trade scenarios than the fan ones. Uses the Eichel trade, with a discount for position, as the basis.

For example gives Kyrou + Neighbours or Bolduc for the Blues.

https://theathletic.com/3436559/2022...-flames-blues/

The problem with a lot of scenarios is cap space. Which is why NJD and DET seem like strong contenders. For example, Vrana + Hronek + picks.

Yeah when I looked at a Kyrou trade I had to add a salary from STL. ROR is the only large salary without an NTC. Plus it's only a one year comittment. Plus he's still good. Would the Flames have to add to get Kyrou/ROR/Neighbors? Throw in Dube or Val?